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@UP_LordPlumber wrote:
@RaginSamYou explained why I want weapon limitation in the following point regarding specialists.
Yes, it CAN be good to have total freedom, but then again you start running into cheese combos like snipers with unlimited ammo that camp on the edge of a map. Weapons can be free for all, but certain limitations will have to be in place to keep balance. Same as with gadgets.
Once you remove scatter nade, shield, flying squirrel quit, guess what you're left with? That's right, a classic BF class formula.
MMO-style character builds can work, but do you honestly think Dice has the mental capability to develop such a system and make it work? I don't think so
That's only one scenario, and even then I don't think that's a problem honestly. Who cares if someone sits on the edge of the map with unlimited ammo? That player is going to be bad regardless of their load out.
Those aren't what make the Specialist though. They CAN have differences, and they don't need to be huge things either. Mackay can have a slight buff to ADS speed and the grapple. Then you can have Dozer with his shield, but he shouldn't one shot you while running with his shield. Dice just didn't balance some of the Specialist all that great is the problem more than anything. Most of them aren't outrageous, but the couple of outliers are annoying AF.
Concerning the MMO-style character build, I just think that would be cool. I doubt Dice would do anything like that. Can you imagine totally customizing the way your soldier looks, in a realistic way, and being able to customize your red dot and everything? I think that would be pretty awesome. Probably not happening though.
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@RaginSamI think ADS speed, ADS movement speed, and other core gameplay mechanics shouldn't be affected by what class or specialist you play as.
Things such as your health pool (Hello armor plates), how much damage you deal/receive, how fast you ADS, and how fast you move while ADS. These core mechanics must be the same for everyone.
Even the current engineer's ADS accuracy bonus while crouching bugs the hell out of me.
Those attributes must be tied to a weapon class, not a character that you play.
Want fast ADS and move speed weapon? SMGs and PDWs
Want a high volume of fire at a cost of mobility? LMGs
Want something in the middle? ARs
Having specific characters with variable core gameplay stats does one very annoying thing - messing up your muscle memory. If you have a lot of experience in gunfights, a single ballerina macay can jump out of a corner at Mach 1 while dancing circles around you.
As for having specialists in the future, I think it depends on how Dice designs their maps. A well-designed map needs no special treatment. Bad Company 2 sends its regards. We only had crouching and jumping. No vaulting, no going prone, no any kind of movement-altering mechanics whatsoever. Yet the gameplay flow in that game was awesome, and by no means slow or stale.
My point is - a well-designed map will entertain you by itself, no grappling hook is required.
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I don't want the 'chore' playstyles. Especially when DICE does balancing around the expectation players will login to do virtual chores.
Ammo distribution and anti-air are the biggest offenders here.
Nobody is making highlight reels of themselves dropping ammo boxes. Nobody is making highlight reels of their FXM kills.
Ammo distribution and anti-air are key playstyles, but it seems DICE never stopped and asked "Is this fun? With all of our creativity - is this the most fun solution?"
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@UP_LordPlumber Before I add my comments I like to state, that I assume, that BF6 will be set in the near future or after BF2042
Anything controlled by AII
I do believe AI supported gadgets are okay, when there is a clear definition about how it works, and what it does.
BF2042 mostly has "what it does" gadgets. See Irish' APS. It used to annihilate "any explosive" crossing its area of control. I still don't understand what the common denominator for Rockets, Missiles, Mortar Shells, Grenade launcher shells are, and why Smoke Grenades and EMP Grenades are ignored at the same time, and why a shot down explosive just vanishes and don't explode. Blasco' infiltration device is no difference.
Still spotting grenades and T-UGS are part of BF narrative for quite some time, and are also ai controlled gadgets.
Vehicles loaded with guns, grenade launchers, autocannons, and other types of explosives.
I actually like the idea, to make vehicles to squad vehicles. If the viability as a single operator vehicle would be much lower than it is. I think more along the lines of strict separation of driving and offensive capabilities, and real passenger seats for infantry.
Specialists and freedom of weapons/gadgets.
The Specialists are the best example for a "faceless nobody". Every single BFV soldier had a more special personality than any of the BF2042 jokers.Sure you couldn't read about their background on an official website, because the player mattered, not the ideas of a developer forced upon the players.
Gadget restrictions are okay, if they return to the BF4 method, where you were able to choose two gadgets and a perk, to assemble you personal specialist, without a "free class gadget".
Also gadgets and grenades should not autorefresh. And of course, as I stated earlier, it needs to be defined how they work, and what they do.
I still like the idea to completely drop the weapon restrictions, it is difficult enough to get some balance in the weapons, there is no need to translate theses issues to classes at the same time. But at the same time, the plus system has to go. If DICE wanted more versatility to their weapon pool, they either should allow a second main weapon, in exchange for a gadget maybe, or increase the number of sidearm options.
Too much verticality.
I disagree. I believe Dawnbreaker offers as much if not more verticality than Hourglass for example. In my opinion we need a lot more verticality. The difference with BF2042 maps is, that most are designed like soup plates, either normal or upside down, and more or less cover and concealment less objectives. So people camp the rim of the plate, and pick off the people that actually try to win the game. Look at Dawnbreaker where there were underground tunnels or build complexes and parking decks between control points, or control points connected by roads that were separated by tall buildings between them.
What in my opinion should go is forced M&K/Controller crossplay. Crossplatform play should be optional, not normal. "Same game, same rules!"
Ingame communication is key, with the emphasis on Squad and/or Team communication, not Party communication. If we want to talk to our friends while gaming we already do it via one of different available voip platforms anyway in parallel to ingame communication.
If the next game should be a military shooter, provide military camoflage. Don't go the way to try to artificially increase the opponent visibility, especially not by some friday night disco night skins as the only option.
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@UP_LordPlumber wrote:
@RaginSamOh absolutely. A fluid movement is a must have in any modern game.
But they should keep it grounded in terms of gadgets that allow some over the top crazy movement options. When Sundance jumps off a 10ft ledge and can glide across half of the map, that is over the top.
Having things such as spring, tactical sprint, vaulting, slide cancelling etc. is absolutely fine and adds a good layer of skill into the mix without making the game way too arcady. I'm too guilty of slide cancelling like it's an addiction
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The wing-suit has got to go! The grapple hook is fun and all, but doesn't really fit in BF either.
I love Tactical sprinting everywhere and slide cancelling as well! You can get some cool momentum going at times. I think when people have an issue with it, it's because something is up with the networking that makes it look like some players are speed hacking. Things like the VERY JANKY vaulting system we have contributes to that. When vault something, it's measuring how far you are from it, if you're close enough to vault it, you then teleport to that object. Also, how characters interact with geometry. No one believes me, but there is WAY too much going on with collisions in this game. Even ammo boxes mess with how flat the ground is. It all adds up to odd looking movement that's very unpredictable to track. Then there's the issue while aiming and every leaf on the ground is bumping you up a couple of pixels. Not everything needs a freaking collision box Dice!
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