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Starting to get pretty damn frustated. We are friends on the EA app, everytime we play we either cant see each other online in the game to invite each other, or he can see me but I do not receive an invitation when he sends one. Platform(Include which Generation): EA App on PC EA Profile Name: IAmFreedom Type of Network being used: Ethernet Date/time issue occurred: 12/13 at 9:48am PST, 12/10 in the evening Are you getting an error message (if so what is it)? No error meesage What are you trying to do when running into an error/ getting stuck? Invite a friend What was the last action you completed before it happened? Opened exhibition, the yard or opened ultimate team How often does the bug occur? Every time we play Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? Try inviting a damn friend Also, include any troubleshooting, Screenshots/Clips you might have: 3 screenshots attached. 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I go to play it, and I can't log in to the EA servers. So, I went to make sure my PlayStation account and EA account were linked... it was... so I thought that maybe if I unlinked it and relinked it, it might work. I have tried to talk to chat support twice today. The first told me that because I unlinked and relinked my Playstation account to EA, I'd need to reinstall Madden 23. So, I did that... it's reinstalled, and I still can't login to EA servers on my game. I haven't played it yet. I haven't created a character. On the main page, beside the touchpad icon, my PlayStation account name is there, so I know I'm logged in with my PlayStation account fine. The \"Thanks Coach\" picture has \"Sign into EA servers\" on it. So I click the 3 dots, and go to EA account... it loads as though it's going to log me in... then it pops up an error window briefly saying: In order to access the online features for this title your account on PlayStation network must be signed in and you must be signed in to the EA servers\". That only pops up briefly before switching to: \"Warning: Unknown Error occurred\". So I click OK, and it goes back to the previous error: \"In order to access...\" The second chat agent can't figure out my problem, because my fiance also has his own TV, his own PlayStation, his own ea play subscription, his own ea account, his own PlayStation account and his own PlayStation plus. His Madden 23 works fine. So it's not a problem with our router because we have no problems playing any other games at the same time. There is no reason why I can't log in, and it's not a really good first impression of EA play. I buy it to play Madden, and I can't even log in to create my first character! 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You can't play the game for even an hour consecutively without it kicking you out and then you cannot get back in either for the rest of the day. I have played every Madden since Madden 18 and the same issue has persisted. I couldn't be typing this post if it was an issue with my wifi. My Xbox account is fine, again I couldn't be logging in to Madden at all if it wasn't. So I'd like to get an explanation as to why this issue has NEVER been remotely close to fixed. I want an answer. I'm not the only one. More than 70 percent of your players probably want the same. For reference I am on Madden 23, you might ask why I'm not even playing Madden 24, probably because I don't want to buy an entirely different console just to get new features that probably won't even work anyways. 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I finally got it done and then a 1/2 passed then bam they took all my coin 3.2 mill. All I did all weekend is did the sets and sold the 92s I dint need them my team was already good enough imo. I kept the Elway for my team I also spent over 100.00 on the 75% off bundles that were offered and sold many cards out of those as well. My question is has anyone else had this happen for doing the John Elway set? I didn't trade cards I didn't buy coins or sell coins . Only thing I did is buy players off Auction house to complete the sets . I don't understand how this is coin distribution??? I want my Money back at the least if this isn't resolved. So unfortunate because I have been playing madden since the 1st game was released. I feel like my hands are tied and there is no way to dispute anything except an email. How is that fair in cases when people are wrongfully accused of something. Sad so disappointed. I submitted a claim but from what I've been reading I'm not hopeful I get resolved. Svadar1428 xbox one gamertag. 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Sony PlayStation 5 What is your gamertag/PSN ID? korenman3 Date/time issue occurred 10/22 all day every time What type of issue do you have? Gameplay Which mode has this happened in? Face of the Franchise Summarize your bug No matter what drill I do in \"Side Activities\", every time when I am at 4/5 attempts and I complete the 5th attempt successfully, the game makes a \"incomplete\" sound and I don't get a gold medal. Every time. Its absolutely absurd and ridiculous. You should be embarrassed for putting this out, and having this problem THIS FAR after release. I literally just bought the game and I already want my money back. Fix this ASAP. How often does the bug occur? Every time (100%) Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? Play FOTF and try and get a gold medal in drills What happens when the bug occurs? I dont get a gold medal, I get silver even tho I completed the last one. What do you expect to see? A gold medal PS4 Crash Reporting: Please copy the text you put in the crash report here. N/a What is the AMD or Nvidia Model Number of your graphics card? N/a Enter RAM memory size in GB N/a Fix this. 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I can login to the EA website and reset my password, rebooted Madden, same error. Any ideas? I even reinstalled the game, same issue. 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