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Anyone who thinks Plants are balanced...

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@puntwothree I rather not comare an environment to a plant. Laser Base Alpha combines two amazing abilities into one environment. It is crazy when you play space ninja on it or a Frenzy Zombie. I have seen a win turn into a loss with a Frenzy + Bonus attack on that thing which leads me to avoid playing on it and carrying as a mandatory 3 environments just in case (solar winds usually). It is difficult to dominate the board with environments as a plant player when Zombies get to overwrite them or move/remove your plant from the environment.

But my main complaint with EA will always be breaking the rules of the game. You should never get more than 4 supers, more than 20 health, or play Zombies on trick turn.
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I would agree with almost every word you wrote if not for:

 

1.) Forget-Me-Nuts

2.) Brainana

3.) Dark Matter Dragonfruit

 

There are other cards that can ruin zombie plans, but these ones really throw of your resource allocation math.

 

So I agree that:

 

1.) The zombie/trick phase split often makes zombies a little trickier to play;

and 2.) in part because they’re “trickier,” zombie/trick decks have a lot of creative potential.

 

But I think the three cards listed above prove how hard it is to take this information and assert that “Zombies are better.”

 

Sometimes Occum’s Razor applies. (Simplest = best.)

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Exactly. Different, but pretty equal. Lol

Except better decks. Even a a plant player I can say they're over tuned.
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There is a card to throw off every deck. I remember when I first got forget me nuts and I cruised my way to UL using WK. Next season the Zombie players adapted quickly and I totally abandoned WK and have not looked back. Then I went to SF and cruised my way to one UL and then found it a little harder to get to UL but did. Now I am playing Rose and I did not make UL last season but I am losing interest in the game and was not playing as much.

My issue with Zombie decks are they find ways to break what the game intended too often. It takes a super power from SF to get ahead of the sun count while a gourmet trick x 4 of uncommon quality gets any brainy Zombie there. Teleport the zombie and the trick shatters the design of the game and breaks the entire reason why Zombies get 2 turns. Intergalactic Warlord is the worst designed, most OP card in the entire game. Zombie heroes can sometimes with very few brains hit you with trick after trick after trick.

I wish they would get rid of teleport, all super power summoning cards, astrovera, intergalactic warlord, etc. And I wish they would fix the mechanics.

I once had 3 flowers on the board including Briar Rose while opponent had Tankysaurus. He made him deadly using barrel or barrels. I forgot the exact sequence of events after but he hit my water lane flower and killed it so Rose killed him yet he still got off another attack and killed my third flower. I wish I could remember the exact sequence.
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So I think we all missed a grand opportunity here right out the gate when this thread was started.

 

There are lots and lots and lots of balance threads. Not including the officially sanctioned and stickied EA thread.  And the fact is that the game is pretty balanced all factors considered, that more people play plants right now, that plants probably therefore have a slight edge, and/but that may and probably will be reversed with the next round of nerfs/updates, so really it is a non-issue.

 

What we are missing, though, is a light-hearted thread for airing grievances.

 

When this thread was published, we had a template, which was: whoever thinks ... [absurd anectdote]. As in, “Whoever thinks plants are balanced has never been forced to bounce double astrovera at the start of zombie tricks.” (This has happened to me before w/Excavator Zombie. Astrovera does not scare me, but bouncing two of them in one turn is a poor way to try to win.)

 

Plant grievances were excluded, but did not need to be.

 

”Whoever thinks zombies are balanced has never seen a turn 2 Bad Moon Rising.” (I haven’t either, but it is possible. This is the combo player’s wet dream.)

 

...Anyone else want to start over?

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It's berry clear what's the main issue. 

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I just had a HG play an Octo Zombie on turn 3.

 

Turn 3.

 

And at the end of the day it is only possible to hurt you badly generating so many brains (he used a combination of buried treasure, terror former, interdimensional, brain vendor, and teleport) is because you can teleport a zombie in on the trick phase.

 

Teleport the trick and zombie destroy the game mechanics.

 

I can only say to that player "Well Played". I did not stand a chance.

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@npgibbs wrote:
It takes a super power from SF to get ahead of the sun count while a gourmet trick x 4 of uncommon quality gets any brainy Zombie there.

A Super Power or one of several sun-producing plants.  Yes, they can be destroyed, but they can also be pumped up or even simply block a lane.  Many of them also get Team-Up, which is a rather nice perk.

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@jj48car wrote:

@npgibbs wrote:
It takes a super power from SF to get ahead of the sun count while a gourmet trick x 4 of uncommon quality gets any brainy Zombie there.

A Super Power or one of several sun-producing plants.  Yes, they can be destroyed, but they can also be pumped up or even simply block a lane.  Many of them also get Team-Up, which is a rather nice perk.


Yes they can be destroyed. But after seeing HG drop an Octo Zombie on turn 3 I laugh at any topic claiming plants are balanced. Zombie players are capable of some of the most outrageous tricks and unfortunately they can occur very early in the game.

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Ok, yes, Zombies have a few ridiculous combos.  Plants have their entire decks consisting of nothing but ridiculous combos.  

 

The problem is, most well-tuned Plant decks aren't playing against the Zombie deck; they're playing against themselves.  If the Plant deck works properly, it is 100% guaranteed to win, regardless of how well or how poorly the Zombie deck works.  The only way for a Zombie deck to win against them is for the Zombie deck to work well and the Plant deck to perform poorly.

 

I'm also curious as to how an Octo Zombie got out on turn 3, and how repeatable it is.  Because I do repeatedly see Plant players play Lily of the Valley on Turn 2, followed by a Doubled Mint and +2/+2 power on Turn 3, for a 5/6 plant that's going to double every turn.  I regularly see Berries and Freezing decks devoted entirely to making sure that the Zombie player doesn't get to do anything all game long.

 

Yes, Zombies have some potent combos, if they manage to get all their cards together, but Plants have far more synergy in their theme decks, and often synergize with actual game mechanics rather than just arbitrary keywords.  The only Zombie decks that even come close to that level of synergy are Sports decks, and that's really just because of how ludicrous Invulnerability is.  (Personally, I think all cards that currently make a Plant or Zombie invulnerable should instead just give it Armored 2.  Still very useful, but at least possible to overcome with enough work.)

 

I laugh at posts that claim that one instance of a powerful Zombie combo completely balances against the very repeatable power of Plants.

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