I just updated this game to hopefully see the game more balanced or improved, But there isn't no changes to what i've experienced in it.
First. I don't know how Frozen Citron isn't getting fixed or Nerfed, Way OP, I'm tired of getting hit and froze after 1 second and Frozen until killed instantly. Not sure why no one isn't saying anything about this issue. The frozen class in this game freezes players for way to long.
Second. The Mechs Seriously need nerfing, Especially the Lil Drake Mech. You shouldn't Be killed so instant with this Mechs fire Weapon. Game modes are so flooded with these mechs because they deal so much damage. It Feels like there's a lot of Favoritism Towards the Zombies in this game. How come the plants don't get a Mech or Something like the zombies? For people saying the imps aren't strong enough, They OP this game with there mechs, Which is why don't play online anymore because it's not fun getting killed constantly. They are stronger than you think
Third. For the love of god, Seriously Nerf the Damn Scientists, Especially the chemist. Yeah short range or whatever, But this thing is taking so many kills it's not even funny. Scientists seem Hacked for how much damage and kills they can get. Which is why i never play as them. Just seems unfair to plants. Their the same way in the first game. I don't know why anybody reports that they are OP. I know for a fact i'm not the only one.
Fourth. Its so sad that you had to nerf the unicorn chomper. All that work for nothing, He was good when i first got him, but now he's completely useless. I have his damage upgrades on almost all 3 upgrade slots and still doesn't work good. I barely play as him now because you get killed more than earn a kill. I hardly see Unicorn Chompers anymore since these last few balances. He should of stayed unique and had a little more power for the work we had to do to get him.
Fifth. The Backyard battleground is so Boring as A Zombie when those Super Bean Bosses come out. There is way to many Spawning and so annoying to kill because of the dang Force field shield and health they have. And it's really Irritating when they glitch out invisible and you can't put any damage on them. Another thing that bothers me about the AI in the backyard, is the fact that the AI will target you more than any other Plant or Zombie on your side.
I'm sorry to say, but this game isn't as fun as the first one. This game will never become balanced until the Character upgrade abilities are removed. Which would make the game 100% better. That's the reason this game is so Unbalanced. and why the first game in my opinion is better.
Sixth. What's up with the Survey in the backyard mailbox? There isn't even a way to submit feedback because the submit button is so broken on PS4 and Xbox1 Can't even rate this game.
There are thousands of things more i can say wrong with this game, but i'm not gonna say anything because it will never get fixed. I'm trying to be as polite as possible while i know i am pretty angry about this right now, Because i know you are trying to make everyone happy in the community for this game.
I deleted this game and sadly feel like i wasted $120 for this game on 2 different Console Platforms.
I'll just stick to the first game.
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I just updated this game to hopefully see the game more balanced or improved, But there isn't no changes to what i've experienced in it.
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First. I don't know how Frozen Citron isn't getting fixed or Nerfed, Way OP, I'm tired of getting hit and froze after 1 second and Frozen until killed instantly. Not sure why no one isn't saying anything about this issue. The frozen class in this game freezes players for way to long.
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Second. The Mechs Seriously need nerfing, Especially the Lil Drake Mech. You shouldn't Be killed so instant with this Mechs fire Weapon. Game modes are so flooded with these mechs because they deal so much damage. It Feels like there's a lot of Favoritism Towards the Zombies in this game. How come the plants don't get a Mech or Something like the zombies? For people saying the imps aren't strong enough, They OP this game with there mechs, Which is why don't play online anymore because it's not fun getting killed constantly. They are stronger than you think
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Third. For the love of god, Seriously Nerf the Damn Scientists, Especially the chemist. Yeah short range or whatever, But this thing is taking so many kills it's not even funny. Scientists seem Hacked for how much damage and kills they can get. Which is why i never play as them. Just seems unfair to plants. Their the same way in the first game. I don't know why anybody reports that they are OP. I know for a fact i'm not the only one.
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Fourth. Its so sad that you had to nerf the unicorn chomper. All that work for nothing, He was good when i first got him, but now he's completely useless. I have his damage upgrades on almost all 3 upgrade slots and still doesn't work good. I barely play as him now because you get killed more than earn a kill. I hardly see Unicorn Chompers anymore since these last few balances. He should of stayed unique and had a little more power for the work we had to do to get him.
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Fifth. The Backyard battleground is so Boring as A Zombie when those Super Bean Bosses come out. There is way to many Spawning and so annoying to kill because of the dang Force field shield and health they have. And it's really Irritating when they glitch out invisible and you can't put any damage on them. Another thing that bothers me about the AI in the backyard, is the fact that the AI will target you more than any other Plant or Zombie on your side.
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I'm sorry to say, but this game isn't as fun as the first one. This game will never become balanced until the Character upgrade abilities are removed. Which would make the game 100% better. That's the reason this game is so Unbalanced. and why the first game in my opinion is better.
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Sixth. What's up with the Survey in the backyard mailbox? There isn't even a way to submit feedback because the submit button is so broken on PS4 and Xbox1 Can't even rate this game.
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There are thousands of things more i can say wrong with this game, but i'm not gonna say anything because it will never get fixed. I'm trying to be as polite as possible while i know i am pretty angry about this right now, Because i know you are trying to make everyone happy in the community for this game.
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I deleted this game and sadly feel like i wasted $120 for this game on 2 different Console Platforms.
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I'll just stick to the first game.
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I just updated this game to hopefully see the game more balanced or improved, But there isn't no changes to what i've experienced in it.
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First. I don't know how Frozen Citron isn't getting fixed or Nerfed, Way OP, I'm tired of getting hit and froze after 1 second and Frozen until killed instantly. Not sure why no one isn't saying anything about this issue. The frozen class in this game freezes players for way to long.
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Second. The Mechs Seriously need nerfing, Especially the Lil Drake Mech. You shouldn't Be killed so instant with this Mechs fire Weapon. Game modes are so flooded with these mechs because they deal so much damage. It Feels like there's a lot of Favoritism Towards the Zombies in this game. How come the plants don't get a Mech or Something like the zombies? For people saying the imps aren't strong enough, They OP this game with there mechs, Which is why don't play online anymore because it's not fun getting killed constantly. They are stronger than you think
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Third. For the love of god, Seriously Nerf the Damn Scientists, Especially the chemist. Yeah short range or whatever, But this thing is taking so many kills it's not even funny. Scientists seem Hacked for how much damage and kills they can get. Which is why i never play as them. Just seems unfair to plants. Their the same way in the first game. I don't know why anybody reports that they are OP. I know for a fact i'm not the only one.
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Fourth. Its so sad that you had to nerf the unicorn chomper. All that work for nothing, He was good when i first got him, but now he's completely useless. I have his damage upgrades on almost all 3 upgrade slots and still doesn't work good. I barely play as him now because you get killed more than earn a kill. I hardly see Unicorn Chompers anymore since these last few balances. He should of stayed unique and had a little more power for the work we had to do to get him.
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Fifth. The Backyard battleground is so Boring as A Zombie when those Super Bean Bosses come out. There is way to many Spawning and so annoying to kill because of the dang Force field shield and health they have. And it's really Irritating when they glitch out invisible and you can't put any damage on them. Another thing that bothers me about the AI in the backyard, is the fact that the AI will target you more than any other Plant or Zombie on your side.
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I'm sorry to say, but this game isn't as fun as the first one. This game will never become balanced until the Character upgrade abilities are removed. Which would make the game 100% better. That's the reason this game is so Unbalanced. and why the first game in my opinion is better.
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Sixth. What's up with the Survey in the backyard mailbox? There isn't even a way to submit feedback because the submit button is so broken on PS4 and Xbox1 Can't even rate this game.
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There are thousands of things more i can say wrong with this game, but i'm not gonna say anything because it will never get fixed. I'm trying to be as polite as possible while i know i am pretty angry about this right now, Because i know you are trying to make everyone happy in the community for this game.
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I deleted this game and sadly feel like i wasted $120 for this game on 2 different Console Platforms.
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I'll just stick to the first game.
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I know how you feel.
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Completely agree about the frozen ability, and there shield makes them unstoppable.
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Also what up with the football charge ability not able to kill anyone?
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While I think some of the points are overblown, I do see the Frozen Citron as very fast freezing. It's a beam weapon so even with a damage drop at range it's easier to hit with than projectile weapons and Citron players will use the side mounted weapon to best advantage, hiding their bulk from being shot and freezing you at extreme range before you can even get back into cover.
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I don't have an issue with the shield though. Citrons are supposed to be tanky after all.
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They did nerf the Drake's flame damage in this patch. I'm not claiming mechs are balanced at this time but they did address this at least to a point here. Is it enough? I don't know yet. Too many mechs can be annoying to fight against I agree, but they are also easy to focus fire on so I really can't say if they are too good or not.
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First point- You are several months past due for frozen citron nerf which happened twice. Remember lag takes place and either you are too stationary or the splash damage is getting you. Not as strong as they were months back.
Second point- The mechs get destroyed in several seconds within the sights of peashooters. Mechs have not been OP for the longest time.
Third point- The scientist survival rate is quite low due to the amount of stuns and Chompers in the game. The Chemist's survivability in this game is at its lowest out of both games.
Fourth point- They only nerfed his warp time by 4 seconds. Thats it.
Fifth point- Its more of a creative design than gameplay about the backyard.
Sixth point- The unbalanced nature comes from the fact more easier variants are picked as the playerbase still remains a casual one. It is not more dedicated nor hardcore than the current GW1 users.
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ogim028 wrote:\n
Also what up with the football charge ability not able to kill anyone?
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You know what I wish they would bring back the All-Star Imp punt ability in GW1. Remember how in GW1 when you kick an imp punt directly into a plant, it carried the plant away and then blew up. That was classic. Especially when you kicked it into a peashooter and it pushed him back to a group of other players and it blew up killing everybody. That was laughs.
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You can't even do that now in GW2.
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I thought I'd drop by and post a few things whilst the mystery portal game takes twenty minutes to load, if it loads...
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Erm, you're about 10 months late on saying Mechs need a nerf, to a point now where it doesn't even matter anymore.
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Why isn't the damn thing loading?
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I too have stopped playing this game seriously. Let me address your points.
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1. Frozen Citron can never be truly balanced. He will either be underpowered and therefore unchosen by players, or OP as all get out. That's because he has a low skill beam weapon that induces a crowd control effect. Team Fortress 2 had a low skill crowd control minigun that was never truly balanced for this very reason. You simply cannot assign slow and freeze to a weapon that fires constantly and permits easy hits, and if it is permissible, it's because its so weak it is useless and no one will bother, which is ultimately what happened to that minigun.
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2. The Mechs are OP because they cannot balance the Imp outside of his 'Mech in comparison to the 'Mech itself. What I mean is, if the Imp is too weak, they'll just camp and wait for the 'Mech before attacking with it. If the 'Mech is too weak, the Imps will never summon them and will either not play Imp or just play as Imp itself. The Mech is another class the Imp replaces himself with, and it doesn't work, not unless they can figure out a way to make it more like a regular ability.
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3. Scientists have been overpowered since day 1 of the first game. No accidental risk of eating someone and being helpless like Chomper, higher damage than Chomper, head hit capability, sticky bombs that can't be avoided if they hit you with them, and the ability to outheal damage sources. Been referring to them as the cheat class because they are treated as a CQB class instead of a healer. Need to be damage weak like Sunflower before I would even consider them balanced.
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4. Chomper as a whole has been hobbled in this game, between a pointless goop nerf, a massive increase in game pace which means he's always caught chewing, and no buff or cleave/aoe to bite effects means you basically take the fire chomper as a flamethrower class or you avoid him altogether. My favorite class in the first game, which I destroyed entire zombie teams with, is much less useful here. Especially on attack. This game premise was never meant to have attacking plants!
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5. The Backyard Battleground was novel and fun at first, but it quickly became a Banjo-Kazooie world hub for me and lost all its glitter except as a way to train with friends or derp around for a while. The real issue with it was that more and more single player content that we didn't ask for was added instead of a pure focus on multiplayer G&G action, which is what we really wanted.
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6. Welcome to software, now get out.
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Overall, I quit for a different set of reasons, but I can't say I blame you for kicking this game. Here's hoping GW3 returns to its roots, no pun intended, and ditches all the stuff we didn't want.
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I too have stopped playing this game seriously. Let me address your points.
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1. Frozen Citron can never be truly balanced. He will either be underpowered and therefore unchosen by players, or OP as all get out. That's because he has a low skill beam weapon that induces a crowd control effect. Team Fortress 2 had a low skill crowd control minigun that was never truly balanced for this very reason. You simply cannot assign slow and freeze to a weapon that fires constantly and permits easy hits, and if it is permissible, it's because its so weak it is useless and no one will bother, which is ultimately what happened to that minigun.
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I think they should change Frozen Citron so he fires like Electo and Tank. Should be the case for every ice characters. Soldier is also freezing very fast !
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Its not only the balance, that take almost a year now to finally be \"OK\", its the grind what makes most people quit. In GW1 you could just play whatever you like, after the first 100 hours you had everything, the rest was just pure gameplay reaching 313. Now we have Stars, Coins, Rainbowstars and whatever. And not a few coins and stars, TONS of them. Most parents buy there kids the game and they play a few hours and are done with it. Its still a kids game and kids dont want to play or have the time to spend so many hours playing a video game. I spend wasted almost a 1000 hours of my life and 50 million coins into it and still miss over a 1000 items. The last 500 hours wasnt fun at any time, I was just leveling up all my characters in solo games, because I just cant stand the multiplayer anymore. 9 years olds, spawncampers, dumb people doing whatever, but not what they acctually have to do: capturing or defending the garden. There is just to much solo content, the gnomus DLC wasnt a real update for me, it was just created to keep the playerbase and that people arent getting bored of it. Now what can we see in the portal games? Not only that no one (of my friends and a lot of other guys) dont want to play portal games, but they have to, its the only way to earn rainbowstars to get new content. We have afk cats vs afk dinos, suizide trolls, exploding for nothing, children that dont know the rules for boss hunt, what is so hard that you really need skill, or lizens to hide. There wasnt a single mode me and my mates enjoyed, we just do it for the stars. Empty lobbys, slow games and even players that are using a afkprotection. Then RUX! A nice idea, badly created. 500k coins for a bad looking HAT or a new textured special? 1 million coins for a single character piece? WHAT? Now dont come with the argument: Its a LEGENDARY, they are suuuuuper rare you should be happy spending 2000000 for one of it!? I know that Popcap works under EA, but just remember back in GW1 you got a character for 50k. If its legendary, rare, super rare or whatever, its a character you will master and then most likely never play again. Least but not last the spend-earn difference: Its a mess! Jesus we started the game in febuary with the most expensive 35k pack, what was already 5k more than the Legends of the Lawn DLC pack or glimmer pack. Then we got the Zombopolis pack, what was first announced with 50k, this got changed after the playerbase complained, but they made it so that you only get 4 items, after you had the normal items, you spend 40k for a super rare. Then the 200k pack, what is in my eyes just stupid, but the hardcore farmers said that when you can get the party characters (who arent even stonger than the standart variants) its worth spending millions of coins into it, but first of all you have to get all the retextured ones, only 3 per pack just saying. And now the new FF pack, seriously what is this? 10k more then the Zombopolis Pack, why??? What makes the difference? In GW1 it was so: After you got all rare, normal items, you just got super rares and then the consumables! But now you spend 10k for each card in that pack, theres always a 10k CONSUMABLE in it?! Things must change, now! I stopped playing the game for a while, I came back and NOTHING changed.
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The grind-filled nature of this game is frustrating, especially when you have other games you'd like to play & put time into.
Might as well be called: PvZ Grinding Warfare 2. It's a suitable title.
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