Re: Why Can't We Lie Sometimes?

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@PretzleMe wrote:

@EgoMania

"... but I did not run into anything that suggests SAM could actually destroy the base..."

He literally stated that he could.

SAM: "Pathfinder, it seems the program I used to breach the shield could overload it and destroy this facility."

And I know that you accepted that SAM could destroy the facility, but I don't think it was addressed that this was in fact suggested whether you blow the base up or not and I wanted to make sure that people knew that it actually was.

"...Yeah now this whole choice as it was done makes even less sense. I don't see how in that time frame the Resistance could save the remaining prisoners and get out before SAM blows up the base..."

Sometimes, a horse is just a horse.  What I mean is, if the Cardinal is saying that they will only open all the pods if we promise to leave that facility standing, it is because we could have still destroyed the base.

Also, as pointed out, when you choose to save the Angarans, they escape before reinforcements arrive.  So combine that with the Cardinal's plea (which would be unnecessary otherwise) you can obviously do both.  You just choose not to because of your word.

Was there a way to write this to where logically it would have been impossible to do both at that time?  Absolutely.  Simple really.  SAM being in their system prevents the Cardinals code from working so SAM has to release his ability to destroy the facility in order for all the pods to open and re-establishing a link would take too long as reinforcements would have arrived before he could finish connecting to their system that way again.

Not how it was done though.  The way they did it, the Cardinal recognizes that you could still destroy the facility if it agreed to open all the pods simultaneously.  That isn't perspecive, in actuality it is essentially the use of a common writer's tool: exposition.  Where a character in a story explains to us the situation as it is.

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Yeah as I stated in my latest post before this, it all started to make sense to me why you came with this thread. I had underestimated how oddly this was put together in the alternate choice. I just didn't see it as a suggestion to blow up the base because my interpretation was that SAM was suggestiong he was going to disable the base. But ok.

To me it's like this:

SAM, in my view, is too powerful in this game and has become a story telling crutch.

When you choose the option to destroy the base, it's destroyed just as you leave with the shuttle. To me that doesn't give the resistance time to actually in this timeline.

When you choose not to destroy the base they do get enough time to get away since even though the Kett landed on top of your escape, this could be the first group to land and so it will take time for them to get to the rest of the base. At least it's a possible explanation.

So it would seem to me that if you were to get the Cardinal to open the pods and then blow the joint anyway, you'd blow it up before the resistance and pow's have a chance to vacate the building since apparently SAM needs to be close enough to do that, but ok, I am not saying that a video game has to be 100% correct about everything as long as it doesn't happen too obviously or too often.

So I do understand where you come from with this idea, but for me it'd make more sense if they'd take some extra rounds around the building taking fire before blowing the base up in order to give them time to escape, but yeah I do get it. It's like those TV shows where they always tend to diffuse the bomb on the last second of the clock or run out the building seconds before it goes off as if they could make that on time. So will just write that down as epic story telling.

What I do wonder about though is this: As soon as you get a guaranteed option that ensures that the base is blown up AND you get to save all the Angara, why would anyone even consider the other two choices anymore? That's what I mean with invalidating other choices. If I get choice A: Save Angara, choice B: Blow up the base, choice C: Save Angara + Blow up base....do you think choice A and B really have any value left as choices?