WoW. I think my APEX LEGENDS experience ends here.
I thought I have found a really good game to play online since I'm basically a single player campaign user, but I was wrong.
Don't misunderstand me, the game is fantastic and the gameplay is the state of the art but the matchmaking is the most unfair thing I ever experienced. I'm a middle-aged man, with a life, a family, a job, bills and home loan to pay, so I really don't have much time to play. On the other hand, I've been also a gamer for 40 years and I feel the need for gaming, sometimes.
Finishing a single player campaign in a videogame is difficult to me, cause I can't play it for days long and usually, is hard to remember what's happened in the story and the game controls, when you approach again the same videogame after 2-3 weeks. That's why I was happy to find a game like APEX LEGENDS, with immediate gameplay, some really good ideas and free to play randomly when I have a few time.
So where's the problem? The problem is the total unfair system of matchmaking. I'm an old gamer but I have to admit that, apart from the lack of time, I'm also a not so good player. Maybe it's cause of slow reflexes or I just suck to play games exactly as I do in playing soccer or every other kind of sports that includes the skill to play with a ball. I also don't have time to make teams and play with friends, so, mostly, I play with a random team that is dropped in the arena to fight against 20 years old guys who play this game together, for 6-8 hours ( and also more ) every day.
The result is that is totally impossible to make a single move against pro gamers who can apply military tactics, that have long experience and the right tools. It's like to put the parish soccer team playing against the Brazilian national team.
I know that you only get better playing against a better opponent but this principle doesn't work when the opponent is a kind of monster. You can't learn soccer if the other opponent not even leaves you to touch the ball.
EA simply can't permit to drop in the same arena, randomly, level 1 and level 1000 people. Gaming in this way is just unfair and the playing experience, for random people like me, is just boring and frustrating. This kind of gaming is anti-gaming. APEX LEGENDS is an exclusive game in the real meaning of the word, in the sense that is just for a chosen few. This videogame excludes some kind of players and this is not in the spirit of gaming.
Videogames should be usable by everybody, that's why, in the campaigns, you can choose the difficulty level.
I hope EA would wake up, before losing all the random players and also part of the average ones. Until that moment APEX LEGENDS will be history for me. I'm done.
As a solo que player I know exactly how you feel, there's more RNG involved in getting a decent team than there is in loot boxes it seems,but there's nothing Respawn can do unless they have enough concurrent players to put all the pre-made squads and low levels into their own lobby so we aren't at a guranteed disadvantage with or against them. All I can say is don't have high hopes when joining matches, expect to lose 90% of them but on the extremely rare occasion you get a competent team be sure to cherish your wins.
also just try when you find a solid solid team or player to run with inviting them? I’ve met two gamers from my city on random for instance and now I get too many invites when I logon.
as solo i want to see its all solo players. not squad games its utter bs. solos go solos squads go squads but respawn and ea are behind so to speak, and they thought * it pair everyone with everyone. its totally fair and balanced that way.
I can't, cause I'd be a trouble for them and it would be embarrassing to me. That's cause I can't gradually improve, cause of the unfair matchmaking system. Is that enough for you? P.S. Overwatch and PUBG.
Dudes, thanks for your help but why you're all talking about squads and solo squads? The post is about the fact that the game makes rookies play against pros in the same arena.
There are games with good skill based match maker, like Overwatch for example. I know many people like to complaint that Overwatch matchmaker is "bad" but I have played 3000 hours of it, I have friend from Bronze to Master. And I can assure you it does provide a gameplay experience miles ahead of "random match maker"
It wouldn't be very hard either to implement some kind of skill based matchmaker Apex. Implementation is key here to the experience.
Here is a simple algorithm suggestion: just wait for 300 players instead of 60 (with max timeout of, say, 30 seconds), sort player by newbie (less than level 20) then average weapon accuracy. And thnen split them evenly. Bang! much better player experience at almost no cost.
Also they should definitely improve the social experience. This is a huge retention factor for me with Overwatch how easy it is to make friends and group up with friends using BattleNet. Origin social features (or lack of thereof) is really keeping Apex back...
And this include, but is not limited too, the horrible voice chat implementation. I can hardly understand my team mate and I group up with friend using discord instead of in game comms.
YES! We need stat-based MM to segment the player base into servers that give them the best chance to compete. We do this will school athletics on such a smaller scale. 50 million players are easy to segment.
@CosmoHart Ok I am to in my 40's, I been gaming since Atari days and I can tell you apex is fast paced,me and my son take turns playing apex and I have played 3500 g Ames and still suck.i have over 1600 kills across my legends and I still die most of the time in a space of 5 minutes.i am playing single mode now and get killed very quickly by 3000 and 5000 kill players, this makes no sense, where the hell is the proper match making.i will be deleting this game cause I give up on the match making
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WoW. I think my APEX LEGENDS experience ends here.
I thought I have found a really good game to play online since I'm basically a single player campaign user, but I was wrong.
Don't misunderstand me, the game is fantastic and the gameplay is the state of the art but the matchmaking is the most unfair thing I ever experienced. I'm a middle-aged man, with a life, a family, a job, bills and home loan to pay, so I really don't have much time to play. On the other hand, I've been also a gamer for 40 years and I feel the need for gaming, sometimes.
Finishing a single player campaign in a videogame is difficult to me, cause I can't play it for days long and usually, is hard to remember what's happened in the story and the game controls, when you approach again the same videogame after 2-3 weeks. That's why I was happy to find a game like APEX LEGENDS, with immediate gameplay, some really good ideas and free to play randomly when I have a few time.
So where's the problem? The problem is the total unfair system of matchmaking. I'm an old gamer but I have to admit that, apart from the lack of time, I'm also a not so good player. Maybe it's cause of slow reflexes or I just suck to play games exactly as I do in playing soccer or every other kind of sports that includes the skill to play with a ball. I also don't have time to make teams and play with friends, so, mostly, I play with a random team that is dropped in the arena to fight against 20 years old guys who play this game together, for 6-8 hours ( and also more ) every day.
The result is that is totally impossible to make a single move against pro gamers who can apply military tactics, that have long experience and the right tools. It's like to put the parish soccer team playing against the Brazilian national team.
I know that you only get better playing against a better opponent but this principle doesn't work when the opponent is a kind of monster. You can't learn soccer if the other opponent not even leaves you to touch the ball.
EA simply can't permit to drop in the same arena, randomly, level 1 and level 1000 people. Gaming in this way is just unfair and the playing experience, for random people like me, is just boring and frustrating. This kind of gaming is anti-gaming. APEX LEGENDS is an exclusive game in the real meaning of the word, in the sense that is just for a chosen few. This videogame excludes some kind of players and this is not in the spirit of gaming.
Videogames should be usable by everybody, that's why, in the campaigns, you can choose the difficulty level.
I hope EA would wake up, before losing all the random players and also part of the average ones. Until that moment APEX LEGENDS will be history for me. I'm done.
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WoW. I think my APEX LEGENDS experience ends here.
I thought I have found a really good game to play online since I'm basically a single player campaign user, but I was wrong.
Don't misunderstand me, the game is fantastic and the gameplay is the state of the art but the matchmaking is the most unfair thing I ever experienced. I'm a middle-aged man, with a life, a family, a job, bills and home loan to pay, so I really don't have much time to play. On the other hand, I've been also a gamer for 40 years and I feel the need for gaming, sometimes.
Finishing a single player campaign in a videogame is difficult to me, cause I can't play it for days long and usually, is hard to remember what's happened in the story and the game controls, when you approach again the same videogame after 2-3 weeks. That's why I was happy to find a game like APEX LEGENDS, with immediate gameplay, some really good ideas and free to play randomly when I have a few time.
So where's the problem? The problem is the total unfair system of matchmaking. I'm an old gamer but I have to admit that, apart from the lack of time, I'm also a not so good player. Maybe it's cause of slow reflexes or I just suck to play games exactly as I do in playing soccer or every other kind of sports that includes the skill to play with a ball. I also don't have time to make teams and play with friends, so, mostly, I play with a random team that is dropped in the arena to fight against 20 years old guys who play this game together, for 6-8 hours ( and also more ) every day.
The result is that is totally impossible to make a single move against pro gamers who can apply military tactics, that have long experience and the right tools. It's like to put the parish soccer team playing against the Brazilian national team.
I know that you only get better playing against a better opponent but this principle doesn't work when the opponent is a kind of monster. You can't learn soccer if the other opponent not even leaves you to touch the ball.
EA simply can't permit to drop in the same arena, randomly, level 1 and level 1000 people. Gaming in this way is just unfair and the playing experience, for random people like me, is just boring and frustrating. This kind of gaming is anti-gaming. APEX LEGENDS is an exclusive game in the real meaning of the word, in the sense that is just for a chosen few. This videogame excludes some kind of players and this is not in the spirit of gaming.
Videogames should be usable by everybody, that's why, in the campaigns, you can choose the difficulty level.
I hope EA would wake up, before losing all the random players and also part of the average ones. Until that moment APEX LEGENDS will be history for me. I'm done.
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The matchmaking is unfair.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:8470033"},"body":"As a solo que player I know exactly how you feel, there's more RNG involved in getting a decent team than there is in loot boxes it seems,but there's nothing Respawn can do unless they have enough concurrent players to put all the pre-made squads and low levels into their own lobby so we aren't at a guranteed disadvantage with or against them. All I can say is don't have high hopes when joining matches, expect to lose 90% of them but on the extremely rare occasion you get a competent team be sure to cherish your wins.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":7,"postTime":"2019-03-05T06:00:01.280-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-03-05T06:00:01.280-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":26090},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:apex-legends-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:apex-legends-feedback-en/message:8470032/message:8470033","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:2706912":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2706912","uid":2706912,"login":"Rima131313","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2019-02-20T11:52:20.663-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1721239509000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:2706912"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:8470034":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:8470034","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:8470034":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2706912"},"id":"message:8470034","revisionNum":1,"uid":8470034,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:apex-legends-feedback-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:8470032"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:8470032"},"subject":"Re: The matchmaking is unfair.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:8470034"},"body":"
Yes, the solo experience is horrible. Like really horrible, I'm legit starting to hate this game because of it.
Everytime I queue up solo I am reminded why I hate solo and why I should just play other stuff when none of my mates are online.
Seriously, I need to stop queuing solo. But I really like this game. I want to be able to enjoy it even if my mates aren't online/willing to play.
Tbh I think playing a moba solo queue is more fun than solo queue apex and that is saying a lot.
I think we need an actual solo mode for it to be enjoyable alone.
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Tell me a game with fair matchmaking or no RNG?
Ill wait....
also just try when you find a solid solid team or player to run with inviting them? I’ve met two gamers from my city on random for instance and now I get too many invites when I logon.
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as solo i want to see its all solo players. not squad games its utter bs. solos go solos squads go squads but respawn and ea are behind so to speak, and they thought * it pair everyone with everyone. its totally fair and balanced that way.
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FORTNITE, deadass. you can que solo and you fully get solo plays. squad is squad. Solosquad in fortnite is normal gameplay in apex.
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There are games with good skill based match maker, like Overwatch for example. I know many people like to complaint that Overwatch matchmaker is \"bad\" but I have played 3000 hours of it, I have friend from Bronze to Master. And I can assure you it does provide a gameplay experience miles ahead of \"random match maker\"
It wouldn't be very hard either to implement some kind of skill based matchmaker Apex. Implementation is key here to the experience.
Here is a simple algorithm suggestion: just wait for 300 players instead of 60 (with max timeout of, say, 30 seconds), sort player by newbie (less than level 20) then average weapon accuracy. And thnen split them evenly. Bang! much better player experience at almost no cost.
Also they should definitely improve the social experience. This is a huge retention factor for me with Overwatch how easy it is to make friends and group up with friends using BattleNet. Origin social features (or lack of thereof) is really keeping Apex back...
And this include, but is not limited too, the horrible voice chat implementation. I can hardly understand my team mate and I group up with friend using discord instead of in game comms.
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We need stat-based MM to segment the player base into servers that give them the best chance to compete. We do this will school athletics on such a smaller scale. 50 million players are easy to 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The matchmaking is unfair.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:8470042"},"body":"@CosmoHart Ok I am to in my 40's, I been gaming since Atari days and I can tell you apex is fast paced,me and my son take turns playing apex and I have played 3500 g Ames and still suck.i have over 1600 kills across my legends and I still die most of the time in a space of 5 minutes.i am playing single mode now and get killed very quickly by 3000 and 5000 kill players, this makes no sense, where the hell is the proper match making.i will be deleting this game cause I give up on the match 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