Thank you for PondHawk mode - it proves that aim assist is waaaaay overpowered
One thing that the Pndhawk mode has proven is that aim assist, and snap aim is way overpowered, and needs to be nerfed. As a long time BF player, it is blatantly obvious that you sold us out to get more people lining your pockets.
At first, it was a theory, getting constantly headshot from a sniper a mile away. A few times, sure. But every single time? Highly unlikely. But, the new Pondhawk mode made everyone use handguns. This, beyond any shadow of a doubt has proven that the aim assist/snap aim is way overpowered.
As PC non-gamepad players, we are manually aiming. This means that while moving we either have to move the mouse, or do some other adjustments while in a gunfight. When you have the jump on an enemy, they simply turn immediately, don't have to aim due to aim assist, and one shot you. I understand the gamepad is not as precise, but the reality is that having the gun automatically aim at an enemy you don't even see is simply ridiculous. Pondhawk mode made this so obvious that every game you hear some PC player complaining about it.
To put this in perspective, as PC gamers, we have dealt with aim assist, known as aimbot, as well as other hacks for years. The PC community has reported these people, and they have been banned, as well they should be. But now, you've actually put it into the game, just to satisfy your bottom line.
We either have 2 options: Change the way we play (keyboard and mouse) and get a gamepad to play with AI assistance, or stick to our guns and look for another game to satisfy our Battlefield itch.
As a test, I created a portal server and disabled aim assist and snap aiming. I didn't filter it only to PC players. In the 2 rounds that we played, there were well over 40 console players that joined. With the exception of one, yes one, they all complained and left the server. I have all the respect for the one person who played the whole round.
It just feels like the people who have been loyal to the brand have been left behind.
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One thing that the Pndhawk mode has proven is that aim assist, and snap aim is way overpowered, and needs to be nerfed. As a long time BF player, it is blatantly obvious that you sold us out to get more people lining your pockets.
At first, it was a theory, getting constantly headshot from a sniper a mile away. A few times, sure. But every single time? Highly unlikely. But, the new Pondhawk mode made everyone use handguns. This, beyond any shadow of a doubt has proven that the aim assist/snap aim is way overpowered.
As PC non-gamepad players, we are manually aiming. This means that while moving we either have to move the mouse, or do some other adjustments while in a gunfight. When you have the jump on an enemy, they simply turn immediately, don't have to aim due to aim assist, and one shot you. I understand the gamepad is not as precise, but the reality is that having the gun automatically aim at an enemy you don't even see is simply ridiculous. Pondhawk mode made this so obvious that every game you hear some PC player complaining about it.
To put this in perspective, as PC gamers, we have dealt with aim assist, known as aimbot, as well as other hacks for years. The PC community has reported these people, and they have been banned, as well they should be. But now, you've actually put it into the game, just to satisfy your bottom line.
We either have 2 options: Change the way we play (keyboard and mouse) and get a gamepad to play with AI assistance, or stick to our guns and look for another game to satisfy our Battlefield itch.
As a test, I created a portal server and disabled aim assist and snap aiming. I didn't filter it only to PC players. In the 2 rounds that we played, there were well over 40 console players that joined. With the exception of one, yes one, they all complained and left the server. I have all the respect for the one person who played the whole round.
It just feels like the people who have been loyal to the brand have been left behind.
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One thing that the Pndhawk mode has proven is that aim assist, and snap aim is way overpowered, and needs to be nerfed. As a long time BF player, it is blatantly obvious that you sold us out to get more people lining your pockets.
At first, it was a theory, getting constantly headshot from a sniper a mile away. A few times, sure. But every single time? Highly unlikely. But, the new Pondhawk mode made everyone use handguns. This, beyond any shadow of a doubt has proven that the aim assist/snap aim is way overpowered.
As PC non-gamepad players, we are manually aiming. This means that while moving we either have to move the mouse, or do some other adjustments while in a gunfight. When you have the jump on an enemy, they simply turn immediately, don't have to aim due to aim assist, and one shot you. I understand the gamepad is not as precise, but the reality is that having the gun automatically aim at an enemy you don't even see is simply ridiculous. Pondhawk mode made this so obvious that every game you hear some PC player complaining about it.
To put this in perspective, as PC gamers, we have dealt with aim assist, known as aimbot, as well as other hacks for years. The PC community has reported these people, and they have been banned, as well they should be. But now, you've actually put it into the game, just to satisfy your bottom line.
We either have 2 options: Change the way we play (keyboard and mouse) and get a gamepad to play with AI assistance, or stick to our guns and look for another game to satisfy our Battlefield itch.
As a test, I created a portal server and disabled aim assist and snap aiming. I didn't filter it only to PC players. In the 2 rounds that we played, there were well over 40 console players that joined. With the exception of one, yes one, they all complained and left the server. I have all the respect for the one person who played the whole round.
It just feels like the people who have been loyal to the brand have been left behind.
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Thank you for PondHawk mode - it proves that aim assist is waaaaay overpowered","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:7188116"},"body":"@lespauled
Is aim assist when my cross hair automatically starts going towards the enemy?
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Well, that's disappointing but not unexpected.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"60","kudosSumWeight":2,"postTime":"2024-01-07T14:39:13.736-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-07T14:39:13.736-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":723},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:13":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:13","position":24,"name":"Seasoned Ace","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:2825468":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2825468","uid":2825468,"login":"RaginSam","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2013-05-12T10:06:25.170-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://eaavatarservice.akamaized.net/production/avatar/prod/39/619/416x416.JPEG"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:2825468"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:7188118":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:7188118","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:7188118":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2825468"},"id":"message:7188118","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:7188115/message:7188118","revisionNum":1,"uid":7188118,"depth":2,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:7188116"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:7188115"},"subject":"Re: Thank you for PondHawk mode - it proves that aim assist is waaaaay overpowered","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:7188118"},"body":"@D-Man3847 That's the \"snap to target\" assist. Which is currently set to four times the snap distance of previous BF games.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"123","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2024-01-07T14:59:10.112-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-07T14:59:10.112-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":708},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"repliesCount":2,"readOnly":false,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:7188119":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:7188119","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:7188119":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:492258"},"id":"message:7188119","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:7188115/message:7188119","revisionNum":1,"uid":7188119,"depth":3,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:7188118"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:7188115"},"subject":"Re: Thank you for PondHawk mode - it proves that aim assist is waaaaay overpowered","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:7188119"},"body":"@RaginSam
Oh I see thank you. So what is aim assist then?
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I don't have the game open, and I personally play with a mouse. So I could be slightly off on describing things, but that should be in the ballpark.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2024-01-07T15:30:25.704-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-07T15:30:25.704-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":684},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:3552565":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:3552565","uid":3552565,"login":"AngrySquid270","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2018-01-24T18:17:58.009-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1721239713000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:3552565"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:7188121":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:7188121","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:7188121":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:3552565"},"id":"message:7188121","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:7188115/message:7188121","revisionNum":1,"uid":7188121,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:7188115"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:7188115"},"subject":"Re: Thank you for PondHawk mode - it proves that aim assist is waaaaay overpowered","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:7188121"},"body":"
At first, it was a theory, getting constantly headshot from a sniper a mile away.
Aim assist does not work beyond 100m.
Snap aim assist avoids the head.
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People who have been loyal to Battlefield for a long time never had to deal with cross play. Until now.
Look up what's happening with The Finals on YouTube. PC players showing up as console players (with aim assist while on M&K and scripts handling recoil.)
Even if PC players don't use things like this there will always be treads like this. Aim Assist vs MK
I still think cross play is a terrible idea. We lived without it for 20 years. We don't need it. Please Dice, don't think about enabling it in the next BF.
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And bring back controls for x52 and other joysticks","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"69","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2024-01-07T18:35:32.587-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-07T18:35:32.587-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":631},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:561731":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:561731","uid":561731,"login":"Foffe75","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2017-01-22T10:53:25.551-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1721239660000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:561731"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:7188124":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:7188124","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:7188124":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:561731"},"id":"message:7188124","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:7188115/message:7188124","revisionNum":1,"uid":7188124,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:7188115"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:7188115"},"subject":"Re: Thank you for PondHawk mode - it proves that aim assist is waaaaay overpowered","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:7188124"},"body":"
As always, no one is happy with the way cross play works. But while pc-players generally want aim assist or any other technique that is supposed to even out the odds tweaked or removed, console players in general prefer not to be forced to play against pc/m&k players at all.
I think that says it all.
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I love cross-platform play, it's one of the best things that has happened to the gaming industries in a long time.
It's true there are some tweaks that need to be done, but it's a work in progress.
Without PC players lobbies wouldn't fill up. I also enjoy the different playing styles that all platforms bring.
Overall if console players played with just console players, eventually over time they will get accused of cheating. It's an endless cycle no matter what people will always keep complaining untill they are able to understand that they died by a legitimate player.
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