Offline version with private servers would be godsend
I'm talking about self hosted servers on top of official dedicated ones. Has this even been attempted with other games in general? I think this could bring some nice change in BF series with different communities and put control in hand of admins. What can I say that hasn't already been said about offline portion of game? It's mindboggling why I have to be online to play offline matches with bots when I have broken connection or just want to relax from headset-screaming kiddies. Considering the last time we had bots was in BF2 era is all the more reason this should be done right. One more thing I wanted to bring up is inclusion of DRM free version of this game- I know, I know it's wishful thinking and daydreaming but with all things mentioned before I think something can be done about it. IIRC Bad Company 2 had removed SecuRom a year after release so it would be most welcome for something similar to happen again. While 2042 servers will be active for years to come I think it's good to think about future of this franchise and to preserve every title (even older ones) in a playable state. I know this is a bit unconventional post but I needed to get this off my chest.
Though I totally understand what you desire @dragonslayerxxx1 and reasons why, then I wouldn't get my hopes too high up on such any time soon. Mainly because it doesn't fit into the mold of where EA wants to be in the gaming market and their business modeling.
In the BF2042 portal you can actually set up totally private servers. Even with password protection, so its either only you as a single person or your friends that you share the password with, who will be able to access that server. So the screaming kiddies shouldn't be a problem, except the ones you might have on the floor around in your own house. :o)
So while I understand your desire to be able to play the game entirely offline, then that is not possible by current design of the BF2042. And I doubt it ever will be, as the client/server software architecture obviously rely on heavy processing on the server side for controlling the gameplay for all the clients. So theoretically this could of course also be released to the 'public'. But as said, the EA business model and pricing for that sake, is not built with that in mind. You can actually say that you probably would need an entire separate 'open source project' to create something like this from the ground up.
Which actually is closely connected to the last point that you raise. Namely a DMR free version of the game. EA is of course not going to launch a royalty free version of their brand new game, just to see all their millions of $ investment into R&D not coming back in sales revenues first. EA is not a charity organization. Another thing is that its actually quite challenging to keep old IT tech functioning for many years later. As aka 5.25" disk drives are not that easy to find anymore these days, likewise with graphic drivers used like 10 years ago, active x plugins, many of the different underlying supporting DLL libraries are no longer kept up to date, etc. None of it are certainly compatible with current versions of Windows/Mac/Linux/Android... So all this makes it cumbersome and most often practical impossible to keep all retro games playable, unless you keep like a time-capsule of all components you need from the époque you want.
Yes, you're correct. Although I didn't get my hopes in a first place. I'm aware, as every gamer who is following what's going on in industry, how EA operates. It's not that hard to figure it out-it's EA. 🙂 However-change is always good when things get stale as well as listening to what community wants. And community has been pretty clear about offline solution.
Regarding private servers I was thinking about third-party servers not run by EA. I'm not sure something like this have even been attempted by developers, only via fan mods and such. Being not familiar with BF2042 client/server software architecture I can't comment on that but it may indeed be the case you mentioned. There was talk about similar thing on Diablo 4 forums back when game was announced and why it can't be run in offline mode/solo. A little enthusiasm on their side would be welcomed though. The reason why I brought this subject up is shutdown of BF2 servers. AFAIK nothing has been done to bring them up and the game currently works only with BF2Hub (someone check that fact). I'm not sure something like this is even legal-selling a half-working product. Regardless, time will come when BFBC2,BF3 and even BF2042 will no longer be supported and it would nice that company preserves them instead releasing a statement ''our people poured our hearts into these games but now it's time to forget them and buy our newest product''.
Yeah, DRM free version somewhere down the road (5-10 years?)... If they even decide to go for it.
You missed me a bit on last part or I wasn't clear enough-keeping server options updated so people can play is a must with multiplayer titles-hence my post. Rare are the devs that keep games working on new hardware and I'm aware of the difficulties.
Still, I think these game will live on through community efforts and because we love them so much. I played BFBC2 3 or 4 years ago and had absolute blast for some short time. Cautiously optimistic for BF2042, what's your opinion @CyberDyme ?
@dragonslayerxxx1 Yes, need offline offline mod with Conquest Bots and Create Offline Maps with Bots as Battlefield 1942, Battlefield Vietnam, Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142. This is Line 2 and must be in Battlefield 2042. Offline Mode.
I'm glad more people are wanting this. DICE has been implementing so much new things worthy of praise. If they went with this it could set a new golden standard for BF games.
I'm glad more people are wanting this. DICE has been implementing so much new things worthy of praise. If they went with this it could set a new golden standard for BF games.
Oh I am certain that you have 10,000s of players that would want this. But still that is not enough to make it a viable direction for EA to take their game platform, due to the added costs to implement it. Also ask yourself, how much would you then be willing to pay for it?
A way to look at how other games have gone through various philosophical architecture stages can be helpful but also support your case that it could be made. (of course it could, is my own answer as IT person). A great example is the Minecraft world. You may recall in its earlier days, we all could even download also the full server version of this. Setup the a PC at private home, share the IP online, where we could decide if it should be open to all or just invited friends. And we had different server templates we could set up as we desired. And we could edit all the contents and server parameters ourselves.
Later you then started to see companies popping up that developed various types of plugins, that could be loaded onto your server to enable very fancy features not available in the original at all. Then you also started to have companies that offered to host your Minecraft servers. Even set up and manage them also, if you didnt want to yourself or if you didnt feel comfortable with the tech. An you literally had 1,000s of such tech companies worldwide. And sure a ton of fun was shared all around!
But the monetizing modeling and the payer/player awards thing is a tough one to handle over time to keep everybody benefitting to the extend they feel reasonably compensated. You can read a bit on the Minecraft story here, which is quite fascinating:
Always wanted to play Minecraft but somehow I never managed to pick it up. The story is fascinating that's a given. You bring up an interesting point-I'm wondering if all this can be regulated by law but again to benefit of players? Myself would gladly pay even triple the price, yet that's just me. The fact that DICE announced new game +remastered maps +bots is why there is such big stir in community and sole good reason for it's implementation. Some answer from company would be nice. But I totally get what you're saying.
@dragonslayerxxx1 I am 100% absolutely, positively, without question, completely against ANY government involvement in regulating video games--especially when gamers plead for government to get involved to give them something that the company in question can't, or doesn't, want to give for whatever reason. Gamers do not own those companies, or games, and they aren't owed anything from them. Just because a company makes a game doesn't mean gamers somehow get to run to government and tell them "Make that company give me what I want!" That is such entitled, whiny, selfish, economically-illiterate BS!
@ChugKendallYeah, again I wasn't clear enough - my fault, happens to me quite often. I was referring to Minecraft situation which @CyberDyme mentioned about other companies having their own server option to offer. Let's say 2042 gets everything I mentioned and somebody gets a ''nice'' idea to monetize their servers. There are some laws that regulate this or even EA's EULA , I think?
@dragonslayerxxx1 Again, I want ZERO government involvement in video games. I don't care the reason or circumstance, and I don't care for laws. If you don't like the way a company operates, take your money elsewhere, but leave government out of it.
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Though I totally understand what you desire @dragonslayerxxx1 and reasons why, then I wouldn't get my hopes too high up on such any time soon. Mainly because it doesn't fit into the mold of where EA wants to be in the gaming market and their business modeling.
In the BF2042 portal you can actually set up totally private servers. Even with password protection, so its either only you as a single person or your friends that you share the password with, who will be able to access that server. So the screaming kiddies shouldn't be a problem, except the ones you might have on the floor around in your own house. :o)
So while I understand your desire to be able to play the game entirely offline, then that is not possible by current design of the BF2042. And I doubt it ever will be, as the client/server software architecture obviously rely on heavy processing on the server side for controlling the gameplay for all the clients. So theoretically this could of course also be released to the 'public'. But as said, the EA business model and pricing for that sake, is not built with that in mind. You can actually say that you probably would need an entire separate 'open source project' to create something like this from the ground up.
Which actually is closely connected to the last point that you raise. Namely a DMR free version of the game. EA is of course not going to launch a royalty free version of their brand new game, just to see all their millions of $ investment into R&D not coming back in sales revenues first. EA is not a charity organization. Another thing is that its actually quite challenging to keep old IT tech functioning for many years later. As aka 5.25\" disk drives are not that easy to find anymore these days, likewise with graphic drivers used like 10 years ago, active x plugins, many of the different underlying supporting DLL libraries are no longer kept up to date, etc. None of it are certainly compatible with current versions of Windows/Mac/Linux/Android... So all this makes it cumbersome and most often practical impossible to keep all retro games playable, unless you keep like a time-capsule of all components you need from the époque you want.
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Yes, you're correct. Although I didn't get my hopes in a first place. I'm aware, as every gamer who is following what's going on in industry, how EA operates. It's not that hard to figure it out-it's EA. 🙂 However-change is always good when things get stale as well as listening to what community wants. And community has been pretty clear about offline solution.
Regarding private servers I was thinking about third-party servers not run by EA. I'm not sure something like this have even been attempted by developers, only via fan mods and such. Being not familiar with BF2042 client/server software architecture I can't comment on that but it may indeed be the case you mentioned. There was talk about similar thing on Diablo 4 forums back when game was announced and why it can't be run in offline mode/solo. A little enthusiasm on their side would be welcomed though. The reason why I brought this subject up is shutdown of BF2 servers. AFAIK nothing has been done to bring them up and the game currently works only with BF2Hub (someone check that fact). I'm not sure something like this is even legal-selling a half-working product. Regardless, time will come when BFBC2,BF3 and even BF2042 will no longer be supported and it would nice that company preserves them instead releasing a statement ''our people poured our hearts into these games but now it's time to forget them and buy our newest product''.
Yeah, DRM free version somewhere down the road (5-10 years?)... If they even decide to go for it.
You missed me a bit on last part or I wasn't clear enough-keeping server options updated so people can play is a must with multiplayer titles-hence my post. Rare are the devs that keep games working on new hardware and I'm aware of the difficulties.
Still, I think these game will live on through community efforts and because we love them so much. I played BFBC2 3 or 4 years ago and had absolute blast for some short time. Cautiously optimistic for BF2042, what's your opinion @CyberDyme ?
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I'm glad more people are wanting this. DICE has been implementing so much new things worthy of praise. If they went with this it could set a new golden standard for BF games.
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I'm glad more people are wanting this. DICE has been implementing so much new things worthy of praise. If they went with this it could set a new golden standard for BF games.
Oh I am certain that you have 10,000s of players that would want this. But still that is not enough to make it a viable direction for EA to take their game platform, due to the added costs to implement it. Also ask yourself, how much would you then be willing to pay for it?
A way to look at how other games have gone through various philosophical architecture stages can be helpful but also support your case that it could be made. (of course it could, is my own answer as IT person). A great example is the Minecraft world. You may recall in its earlier days, we all could even download also the full server version of this. Setup the a PC at private home, share the IP online, where we could decide if it should be open to all or just invited friends. And we had different server templates we could set up as we desired. And we could edit all the contents and server parameters ourselves.
Later you then started to see companies popping up that developed various types of plugins, that could be loaded onto your server to enable very fancy features not available in the original at all. Then you also started to have companies that offered to host your Minecraft servers. Even set up and manage them also, if you didnt want to yourself or if you didnt feel comfortable with the tech. An you literally had 1,000s of such tech companies worldwide. And sure a ton of fun was shared all around!
But the monetizing modeling and the payer/player awards thing is a tough one to handle over time to keep everybody benefitting to the extend they feel reasonably compensated. You can read a bit on the Minecraft story here, which is quite fascinating:
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Always wanted to play Minecraft but somehow I never managed to pick it up. The story is fascinating that's a given. You bring up an interesting point-I'm wondering if all this can be regulated by law but again to benefit of players? Myself would gladly pay even triple the price, yet that's just me. The fact that DICE announced new game +remastered maps +bots is why there is such big stir in community and sole good reason for it's implementation. Some answer from company would be nice. But I totally get what you're saying.
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@ChugKendallYeah, again I wasn't clear enough - my fault, happens to me quite often. I was referring to Minecraft situation which @CyberDyme mentioned about other companies having their own server option to offer. Let's say 2042 gets everything I mentioned and somebody gets a ''nice'' idea to monetize their servers. There are some laws that regulate this or even EA's EULA , I think?
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I don't care the reason or circumstance, and I don't care for laws. If you don't like the way a company operates, take your money elsewhere, but leave government out of 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