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@UP_LordPlumber wrote:
@S3SSioN_SoLAlright then. If you say it's easy, prove it. Go into any pvp mode and achieve 40 kill streak without killing bots

And this is why... if you read my initial post, you would see I mention telemetry and statistics. Calling for the balancing of a vehicle such as in the case of the Nightbird being able to shred a Jet in 2 seconds, I think is reasonable, but it should not happen just because I say so, it should happen based on the data DICE has. If one player is getting 60 kills out of the rest, then they are an outlier, someone who has probably dedicated most of their time playing to flying said aircraft, again there's nothing wrong with being exceptionally skilled at one facet of a Battlefield game.

The problem comes in where the Nightbird can eat a direct recoilless with zero consequences. This is the main point of my complaints about the Nightbird and has been so in my prior posts about it as well, its been a bugged vehicle for a very long time. And its all these bugs which give it an advantage which it should not have. At the end of the day, DICE must address these bugs. It's a bit like that bug where a tank shell hits an aircraft but does zero damage. They should rename the aircraft to Nightbug to justify its existence.

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@UP_LordPlumber wrote:
@S3SSioN_SoLAlright then. If you say it's easy, prove it. Go into any pvp mode and achieve 40 kill streak without killing bots

And this is why... if you read my initial post, you would see I mention telemetry and statistics. Calling for the balancing of a vehicle such as in the case of the Nightbird being able to shred a Jet in 2 seconds, I think is reasonable, but it should not happen just because I say so, it should happen based on the data DICE has. If one player is getting 60 kills out of the rest, then they are an outlier, someone who has probably dedicated most of their time playing to flying said aircraft, again there's nothing wrong with being exceptionally skilled at one facet of a Battlefield game.

The problem comes in where the Nightbird can eat a direct recoilless with zero consequences. This is the main point of my complaints about the Nightbird and has been so in my prior posts about it as well, its been a bugged vehicle for a very long time. And its all these bugs which give it an advantage which it should not have. At the end of the day, DICE must address these bugs. It's a bit like that bug where a tank shell hits an aircraft but does zero damage. They should rename the aircraft to Nightbug to justify its existence.

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It seems like the Nightbird will remain unchanged in 5.0.0","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:7145245"},"body":"@S3SSioN_SoL I'm writing this based on your other replies such as

\" You want to fly a balanced aircraft? Fly the attack chopper. You want to go on a 50 killstreak? Fly the nightbird.\"

\"It weird how Nightbird mains believe it takes hundreds of hours to fly an overpowered vehicle.\"

\"That right there sums up your argument. You seem to believe it takes skill to shred enemy Jets in less than 2 seconds? Or melt enemy armor with ease, with no regard for danger from lock-ons or enemy TGM's because the crazy maneuverability allows you to dodge all of that with ease. Flares on cool down? Just fly low! Below radar offers unparalleled protection which as a result of the Nightbird's agility, it can easily take advantage of, guaranteeing its survival.\"

You're the one here talking about Nightbird as if it's some kind of unstoppable God mode machine that ANYONE can use at any time. So please, prove it.

But now you're saying that \" If one player is getting 60 kills out of the rest, then they are an outlier, someone who has probably dedicated most of their time playing to flying said aircraft\"

But before that you were chastising @Man_iLoveFishing\" for dedicating him time to Nightbird and saying that it \"ruins your time\".

So do we actually deserve to go on high killstreaks if we dedicate hundreds of hours or not? Or you still believe anyone can jump in and go on a 40+ streak just like that?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":2,"postTime":"2023-06-04T11:37:17.324-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-06-04T11:37:17.324-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":529},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"repliesCount":5,"readOnly":false,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:7145246":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:7145246","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:7145246":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:4824389"},"id":"message:7145246","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:7145203/message:7145246","revisionNum":1,"uid":7145246,"depth":13,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:7145245"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:7145203"},"subject":"Re: It seems like the Nightbird will remain unchanged in 5.0.0","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:7145246"},"body":"@UP_LordPlumber I never once said \"ruins my time\", I believe you are misquoting me, when someone else said \"fun I deserve\". I might be wrong here but I don't quite care enough to scrutinize every post I've typed when you fail to acknowledge the existence of \"dodges missiles bug\".

And yes, I do believe it is an unstoppable God mode machine in the hands of a skilled pilot who flies no other aircraft like it. That is a nice way of putting it.

I honestly went back and read what I wrote and I must say, I'm not too sure where you got the idea that I was saying their skill must be punished.

That is quite a weird question to ask, to be honest, lets apply the same logic to other parts of the game, if you take a Pro and throw them into a infantry only server, you'd expect them to do rather well right. Because it's a scenario where everyone is on the same footing and the Pro is undeniably skilled to know every trick in the book. Now, if you take the same scenario but give the enemies a shield that blocks every 2nd or 3rd bullet, it would probably become quite annoying for the Pro. The reality of the Nightbird is the complete opposite where as, the Pro pilot blocks every 2nd missile without needing flares by virtue of a bug.

I hope my logic is apparent, I honestly can't really explain any better without asking that you search up the old threads where someone generously posted videos depicting the many issues they encountered with the Nightbird.

You seem to have a fixation that I can't go on killstreaks with the Nightbird for some reason? There's no way I can prove this to you because I don't record entire lengths of my gameplay, I'm sure there's plenty of YouTube videos where Pro pilots can depict to you what 40+ killstreak looks like. I fail to see the relevance to be honest as most of my feedback is in reference to the firepower between all aircraft, holistically.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2023-06-04T12:04:49.047-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-06-04T12:04:49.047-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":517},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:7145247":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:7145247","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:7145247":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:4824389"},"id":"message:7145247","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:7145203/message:7145247","revisionNum":1,"uid":7145247,"depth":13,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:7145245"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:7145203"},"subject":"Re: It seems like the Nightbird will remain unchanged in 5.0.0","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:7145247"},"body":"
@S3SSioN_SoLwrote:
You need to examine the \"balance\" holistically, I have a feeling the only reason why you don't like the Tor is because it can end your 40+ killsteaks from across the map. What if I told you, it takes as much skill to do that as it does to fly the Nightbird lmao, because beyond that the hundreds of hours you reference is just reinforcement for granular precision and consistency just like any other skill. The Nightbird is without a doubt, the easiest the aircraft to fly for many reasons. If anything about the Nightbird gets nerfed, I doubt it will ruin your fun because as I mentioned before, those hundreds of hours are not going to magically disappear, all it means is that the Nightbird will fit within its role better.

@UP_LordPlumber 

Refer to the above.

Take note, when I say fly, I refer to the mechanics of flying the aircraft, not its ability to engage targets, that would require even more paragraphs talking about its inherent agility and precision required. I could have clarified this better.

I implore you to try destroy a Nightbird that knows what they're doing, that knows to fly directly above an AA after hitting it with an AGM. That knows to look for Blasco's gadget when it can't lock on. It will be tough. Almost too tough. One could argue, that it's kinda OP. 🙂

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I can make the same example in infantry gameplay with certain gadgets/classes that allow players to achieve high results after learning specific mechanics to give me an advantage. Should these people also be forbidden from playing the game?

Lets say I play Falck with infinite HP regain and ammo, I've learned a certain weapon for its fullest potential and now can engage targets at long distances because of recoil control and muscle memory.

I've mastered movement mechanics i.e slide canceling and weaving, learned all cover position and use it to my advantage over other blueberries.

Now does that make my loadout OP that gives me an unfair advantage, or my time and skill I've earned through playing the game and learning its mechanics?

I've no stranger to dropping 80+ conquest games on foot using most primary weapons available in game. Does that make the entire game \"kinda op\"? Because try fighting me 1 v 1 and I guarantee you I will win.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":2,"postTime":"2023-06-04T12:33:27.219-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-06-04T12:33:27.219-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":504},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:3454107":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:3454107","uid":3454107,"login":"AlkaniusRUS","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-01-24T06:04:39.606-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1721239731000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:3454107"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:7145252":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:7145252","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:7145252":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:3454107"},"id":"message:7145252","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:7145203/message:7145252","revisionNum":1,"uid":7145252,"depth":14,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:7145247"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:7145203"},"subject":"Re: It seems like the Nightbird will remain unchanged in 5.0.0","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:7145252"},"body":"
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:

@UP_LordPlumber 

From your posts, I see you are an avid fighter pilot. So you complain about how quickly the night bird destroys you, but you are not a bit ashamed to disassemble attack helicopters in one go. You like it when your radar missiles are not dropped by traps. When playing an attack helicopter on a jet, you need 3 hits of 127mm in an insanely small flat hitbox, while with a light helicopter, 2 are enough, is this normal ? That is why there should be a rescue against you in the form of the Night Bird so that everything is not so sweet for you.
It is not possible to play normally in BF2042 on an attack helicopter because of the lethal fighters, the G-84 flying from everywhere and the TOR railgun waiting in the bushes.
Thanks to DICE for at least not nerfing NightBird.
And the TOR railgun can be destroyed in 20 seconds. It is a fact.

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@AlkaniusRUSSince when am I an \"Avid fighter\" pilot? I ave more kills in a Nightbird than in both jets, both attack choppers and stealth choppers combined

Also what the hell are you talking about in your post? Jumping from point to point. Impossible to follow it

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