Re: Heirloom shards....nowhere to be seen
by Supremest01Original Post
@maximas1986Well I don't know for certain how the apex packs work. But I would assume it's RNG based as it makes the most sense and Apex does use RNG for numerous things such as loot in the game.
So let's look at the individual apex packs, normal ones.. They likely use some type of RNG system, they simple, they are time tested and they reliable. Now based on the information available we know each pack guarantees at least 1 rare or better item. How would they achieve this with an RNG? It only takes one item in the Apex pack to achieve the guarantee for the rare or better item. So you can set 1 RNG to be populated with nothing but rare or better items. 7.4% of those items are legendary, 24.8% of the times are epic and the remaining items are all rare. This will allow the pack to always produce a rare or better item. It's full proof and will always meet the guarantees stated. Now the other 2 items in the pack use a different RNG that is populated with ALL in game items normal items-legendary. Since the normal items increase the number of possibilities it would decrease the odds of getting a rare, epic or legendary item. This RNG would likely be the one that contains the .2% chance at a heirloom. I don't know for certain it's a .2% chance, I make that assumption based on the fact that the odds of getting a heirloom are some place below 1%. But .2% makes sense to me because of the 500 pack guarantee. 1/500=.002 or .2% There are other ways to achieve this, but that is a simple explanation of how it could work and it's likely something along those lines. They could also use one RNG that just locks out the items which are not rare or better for 1 of the apex pack outcomes.
When I say it's a .2% of a heirloom that simply means that out of all the possibilities or outcomes the RNG can produce, .2% of those are a heirloom. The remaining 99.8% possibilities/outcomes being something else. The thing about RNG is that they average over thousands or even millions.
Yes people will get extremely lucky with Apex Packs and Heirlooms. That is the nature of the beast and RNG's. If a person happens to stop the RNG the precise moment a heirloom is the prize, then they will get a heirloom. It makes no difference if you've received 1 2 or 3 heirlooms, the odds are always the same. The only thing that matters is when you stop the RNG. But weighting the outcomes like you suggest is just not remotely feasible. They would have to write different code for different people or have different RNG for different people.. How would they distribute that? How would they control that? Hacking it or cheating the system some how is not really possible, I guess nothing is impossible. But you're talking about getting into the EA servers, that's far different than the in game cheats people use to gain an advantage. If someone can hack the EA servers, I can almost guarantee they have 0 interest in heirlooms.
There is one other way to do this and that is with a pre-populated prize pool, sort of like lotto scratch offs. But that's another beast entirely and I find that to be unlikely. RNG can handle everything and would not require updating the prize pool.
I dropped 1 thousand + on crates alone. I got 2 heirlooms that i did not want. This company completely said screw us elders who put in thousands lets give these new players what they want. By this i mean when we got our hierlooms we did not have the option to pick which we wanted the game decided which we would get. Now players have the chance to pick which they want while us who supported this game from day 1 are shafted with no plans of allowing a trade in system. This is why ive not spent more money on this game. You wanna cater to new players then ill cater my cash some where else.
Also note not a single hierloom ive earned has came from any of their free packs for battle pass and such. Both mine was gotten with hard earned cash at 500 bucks a pop. Great way of thinking of those who actually keep the lights on.
Every legendary legend skin I like /or have wanted I've had to craft myself. The only thing I've got was an R99 skin but that doesn't really matter much now. Oh and I hardly ever get crafting materials so the grind is ridiculous.
In game there's been hundreds of times that I've landed and not got a single blood***** weapon in my 1.72K games.
So I'm with you guys, I'll probably never get an heirloom. I'm like lvl 274 so it's not happening anytime soon... I really want either Wraiths Kunai or BHs Axe. PFs boxing gloves would be amazing, I don't play as him but I think they're the best designed heirloom. IF I do manage to get one it would probably the mirage trophy that I don't care for in the slightest D;
On a side note (I know most of this post as been me waffling on but oh well xD): I'm hearing we're getting a sledgehammer for Caustic and a Tonfa for Bangalore?! I might find the YT video and make a thread later
Honestly the RNG will average out for you. I have unlocked most items in game aside from heirlooms (i only have 1). That said, over the course of opening those packs I noticed this.. I had streaks with the packs in which I was only getting legendary items at the stated guarantee rate and they were moz skins or something I was not all that interested in. Then I would have streaks in which I'd open 20 packs and get 5-7 legendary items, all items I wanted.. I even had one pack produce 2 legendary items. I might have a screen shot of it. But over the long haul it will average out. The 180 packs you get for free are not a huge amount of exposure to the odds. So the averages might be on the low side for some, while others will get lucky and be above average.
All i want is fair across the board. In game play in lobbies and more. There is zero reason to not support a 1 time trade in. I dont want bloodhounds hierloom it looks horrible to me. Crap is too close to his face. I wanted my mains hierloom and ill never have that chance again because i will not spend another doller on this game until they learn to treat us all the same and listen to us the players.
