BFStats.com was really very very good back in the days, not just for the live player population tracking for the games. But also for the servers, our soldiers and especially all the insights on weapon and vehicle statistics!
On the Battlefield group on Reddit we together extracted all the detailed data on previous BF games around 1 year into after the launch of BF1, as we started to wonder if it was really dropping faster versus previous BF games or not. And here below are the stats on BF4, BFHL and BF1 from back then (sorry, i do not have anymore the link to the Reddit discussion we had on this, but you might be able to search/find it again).
After BF1 had dropped below the BF4 player population on 3 consecutive months, then EA pulled the plug on the BF API component, so no 3rd parties anymore could track or report on true live game data and active player populations across the BF games across all platforms. And that was effectively the end of BFStats.com.
Some interesting observations are:
BF4 ramp-up suffered seriously in the first months at launch on Playstation, as you may remember that it was simply not possible to buy any PS4 the first many months there. A bit the same situation we can say we have today with PS5, where demand is much higher than product availability.
Consoles represent by far the biggest player population for the BF games.
PC players tend to have significant shorter term loyalty to a game. Market research points to also that PC BF players are in average much younger than the BF players on console. AND, that they in average have many more games installed and in which they play at same time on a weekly basis. Which maybe explains they are more teased quicker to move on to other entertainments.
There are probably more reasons why BF1 faded out so relatively fast versus the longer lasting and older BF4. But its not all just due to the older WW setting and weapons/vehicles in the game. The BFHardLine game faded even faster despite the contemporary setting and modern weapons. But one can argue that it was not even a proper BF game, due to the nature of that game.
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Both the BF1 and especially the BFV game have picture perfect scenery and also the game mechanics in the final updated BFV game are probably the best we have had across all BF games. Just logging on and going to one of the historic battlefield scenes is a joy for the eye. But it obviously takes more to attract the players and keep them coming back for more of the real BF gaming.
@CyberDyme Very interesting insights, thanks for that! I remember when they shutdown the API to save face when BF1 was bleeding players.
I'm in complete agreement with your last paragraph. I sunk in many hours into BF1 and BFV but always felt disappointed that they just didn't have the feel of a BF3 or BF4. They felt like a spinoff rather than a main series iteration. Playing the BF2042 beta despite its issues was a nostalgia trip.
@CyberDyme wrote:PC players tend to have significant shorter term loyalty to a game.
@CyberDyme As a PC/Xbox/Playstation gamer I have issue with this assertion. Try playing older Battlefields years after end of life on console and it's a ghost town. Do it on PC and you can still find active servers of BF1942, BF2, BC2, BF3, BF4 on PC approaching 20 years later. I literally played Quake II online for 20 years with big player populations. PC players seem to have far greater loyalty towards games they like despite having large libraries of games probably because we can't trade them into Gamestop so we own and play them forever. I still have my Quake, Quake II, Battlefield 2 CDs a few feet from my PC.
I also think that current gen consoles will have this happen moving forward due to backwards compatibility becoming a thing on consoles and the console player base increasingly making digital purchases which means they can no longer trade their game discs into Gamestop a couple of months after the game's launch towards purchasing the next big AAA game.
One thing that also affects that console players might not play older BFs that much anymore compared to PC players is the case that with a new console most of us move forward and at some point leave the old games behind then as most get ris of old consoles too.
One thing that also affects that console players might not play older BFs that much anymore compared to PC players is the case that with a new console most of us move forward and at some point leave the old games behind then as most get ris of old consoles too.
Greets,
Travis
@Its_Travis_199 that's why I mentioned console backwards compatibility. In fact you and I were talking about older consoles today!
I just mentioned again as some people still keep their old consoles for the older game to drop in now and then. You should know best 😉
Greets,
Travis
Pretty much the only reason I've got a couple of old 360s kicking about - the idea is to get one of them up and running (both have faulty disc drives) so I can play games like Space Marine, which aren't currently backwards compatible.
@ragnarok013 PC games, overall, may have a longer lifespan (don't know, haven't seen any official stats), but the graphic that @CyberDyme posted showed that PC players had the biggest drop-off, after 8 months, with the latest Battlefield releases--moreso than Xbox or PS. Not sure how that stacks up with non-BF games, but with BF games the PC population tends to move on much quicker--if the stats he posted are indeed accurate.
@ChugKendall wrote: @ragnarok013 PC games, overall, may have a longer lifespan (don't know, haven't seen any official stats), but the graphic that @CyberDyme posted showed that PC players had the biggest drop-off, after 8 months, with the latest Battlefield releases--moreso than Xbox or PS. Not sure how that stacks up with non-BF games, but with BF games the PC population tends to move on much quicker--if the stats he posted are indeed accurate.
@ChugKendall the graphic was excellent - so excellent that I saved it. The PC crowd may have the highest difference in peak player count between launch and 8 months later but it has the longest sustained population. I played Battlefield on every available platform for each title until BF5 then I stuck solely with PC due to the live service so I've experienced this phenomenon personally.
@ChugKendall wrote: @ragnarok013PC games, overall, may have a longer lifespan (don't know, haven't seen any official stats), but the graphic that @CyberDyme posted showed that PC players had the biggest drop-off, after 8 months, with the latest Battlefield releases--moreso than Xbox or PS. Not sure how that stacks up with non-BF games, but with BF games the PC population tends to move on much quicker--if the stats he posted are indeed accurate.
It is always hard with numbers, to validate their true meaning and root causes behind any trends we might observe from them. Now as we do not have the BF API working anymore, its even more challenging to pull out numbers which we might all agree to is the 'picture of the truth' so to speak.
A hard part is also that our own personal understanding or what we thought was the case, is maybe not so when looking at the factual data from a different angle. Personally I am not emotionally engaged one way or the other with these numbers, but simply just trying to understand what we can learn from them.
And its not about how we personally look at any game being better than another. That is not the reason I shared the BFStats here with you. It is to understand what the larger world market for game software looks like and what the world population of consumers cares about, why and for how long. The business fundamentals for that market. I am personally vested in it for making money, if money can be made from it...
But personally in my spare time I still love the old BF3 and BF4 games. The PS3 platform integrity though is no longer supported by Sony (so jail-breaking of the console opens up for cheats) and EA only have few servers running, so limited game options there. Likewise with BF4, I personally really love that gameplay, mechanics and all. But truth be told, there are no more money to be made from that, so EA obviously is closing it down sooner than later. So despite its still a great game and we are thousands of players worldwide caring for it, we are left behind with no support and dwindling number of servers and players also as result.
Now, as you just ask about the numbers, if they really are real...?
I cant tell of course, except that is how the live numbers came out when pulled from BFStats.
And we all despite our personal interest and differences on the Reddit BF group, all congregated on these numbers being the hard reality, no matter if we liked the numbers or not.
And if you think PC is more sustainable than console, (think also that we nerds here on this forum, we are not 'the norm' or the average BF game consumer 😀) so how about checking the number of BF4 servers and their number of active players you have live on Battlelog then?
So roughly 30 servers with an active game, with approx. 1030 players.
And around 25 servers with only 1-2 players hanging to start them up...
Again sounds shocking low, but hey its Monday morning and these are the hard numbers.
Reality for EA and their server hosting partners...
And this is just a snapshot of current state on BF4. The numbers and the player population across the platforms also fluctuate during the day and during the weekdays. And it is this bigger picture that we need to relate to, to justify any business investment to develop such games. Not our own personal emotional attachment to one game or the other, one platform or the other. Hope you understand now that my motivation is not to skew any numbers here or promote one versus another. I care about the facts and the hard numbers of reality and how we best use that knowledge to prosper better going forward...
@Fringerunner Thought about it before I bought my new Xbox but decided to stick with console in the end since time and money are both a lacking right now. If I had my way I'd play on all platforms like Ragnarok013.
I may need to reassess now I know you have cookies though...
@ElliotLHWe have bumpers stickers and everything, you just have to use a permanent marker to cross out "dark side" and add PC over it.
And yea, i might actually spend more time on console too if it wasn't for two kids and a wife that hog the TV 99% of the time (i can't describe how much i hate animal crossing), but the office PC i share with no-one!
Edit: Also not the greatest time to start a PC build, the prices right now are insane for anything over mid-range on the GPU-side.
Fwiw, my own experiences with 4 lately reflect that too.
The 0600-1600 period CET period tends to be low due to the US crowd going to bed and the EU crowd going to/being at work or school, but afternoon EU to near midnight EST tend to have quite a few servers with queues in the last month alone.
Can take a snapshot tonight at around 2200 CET and see what the state is then, i suspect it'll look different.
@ElliotLH Yea, i have two girls (one just in her teens) and everything from what to watch to what games are played is a not a winnable battle outside of mario cart...
As for the PC hardware, it's really weird right now, you can even save some money on pre-built boxes from places like microcenter or other vendors if you're stateside, or from similar places in Europe.
What i really don't get is the price discrepancy where I'm at, I'm looking at a 6900xt to replace a 2080TI, and it's almost US$500 cheaper than a 3080.
Probably just local market bias, but i'm not going to complain seeing as they're still insanely expensive compared to a few years ago. (The 6900xt is still nearly US$1600 though which is painful)
@Fringerunner Oh you're definitely not winning any battles there! Definitely good you've got your own space to enjoy (I hope you abuse the blue shell when you're playing Mario Kart too).
Prices, I guess anyway, would probably be similar to what you're seeing. The discrepancy could be even worse for other countries, not to mention supply issues.
@ragnarok013 I don't doubt your knowledge of PC play longevity. Personally, I don't usually go back to an older shooter game, but I have done that recently, with BF4. I'm going to try BFV again, next.
I think BF 1 and BF V are great. Very visceral. Sadly, almost no BF 1 servers for me anymore aside from 1-2.
To be honest, i dont need 2042 to be like BF 4. I want it to be fresh but its puzzling to see how the developer does not keep everything that made it good and just remove the bad stuff while adding new features. Playing the beta, i kept shaking my head trying to figure out how Dice thought this would be a good representation of their new game. It clearly was not. The word "beta" only helps if the full version is like 6-12 months away. If they really *just* wanted to test servers, a blog post that would clear up why things like comma rose etc were left out would've helped a lot. Instead, they hype other features and ignoring the feedback (IMO). Sorry - got carried away.
I guess we will find out these things on launch day. Hopefully some early reviews will pop up so i can decide whether to buy it or not.
@ChugKendall wrote: @ragnarok013PC games, overall, may have a longer lifespan (don't know, haven't seen any official stats), but the graphic that @CyberDyme posted showed that PC players had the biggest drop-off, after 8 months, with the latest Battlefield releases--moreso than Xbox or PS. Not sure how that stacks up with non-BF games, but with BF games the PC population tends to move on much quicker--if the stats he posted are indeed accurate.
And if you think PC is more sustainable than console, (think also that we nerds here on this forum, we are not 'the norm' or the average BF game consumer 😀) so how about checking the number of BF4 servers and their number of active players you have live on Battlelog then?
So roughly 30 servers with an active game, with approx. 1030 players.
And around 25 servers with only 1-2 players hanging to start them up...
Again sounds shocking low, but hey its Monday morning and these are the hard numbers.
Reality for EA and their server hosting partners...
1. Battlelog server browser has always been bugged. Not setting any filters does not show you the full amount of servers. Even selecting "Battlefield 4" as a filter will show you different servers than with no filters at all. So no, I am sure those are not all the servers. You'd have to search manually with different filters to find all populated servers.
2. On top of that; 14:24 CET. Everyone in the US is sleeping and everyone in Europe is working. The worst possible time to do a "test" like that, as you said.
Games in general are sustainable on any platform if the players are given tools to play them, PC games just tend to have a more open ecosystem for players to flourish in. Remember all the dozens of mods for Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 2 with their own servers?That's what Battlefield used to be about, and the ability to host proper servers with custom rules is still a core experience for BF. Not to forget, console players usually switch to a new console sooner or later whereas some PC players still pop in for a round of Battlefield 2.
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BFStats.com was really very very good back in the days, not just for the live player population tracking for the games. But also for the servers, our soldiers and especially all the insights on weapon and vehicle statistics!
On the Battlefield group on Reddit we together extracted all the detailed data on previous BF games around 1 year into after the launch of BF1, as we started to wonder if it was really dropping faster versus previous BF games or not. And here below are the stats on BF4, BFHL and BF1 from back then (sorry, i do not have anymore the link to the Reddit discussion we had on this, but you might be able to search/find it again).
After BF1 had dropped below the BF4 player population on 3 consecutive months, then EA pulled the plug on the BF API component, so no 3rd parties anymore could track or report on true live game data and active player populations across the BF games across all platforms. And that was effectively the end of BFStats.com.
Some interesting observations are:
BF4 ramp-up suffered seriously in the first months at launch on Playstation, as you may remember that it was simply not possible to buy any PS4 the first many months there. A bit the same situation we can say we have today with PS5, where demand is much higher than product availability.
Consoles represent by far the biggest player population for the BF games.
PC players tend to have significant shorter term loyalty to a game. Market research points to also that PC BF players are in average much younger than the BF players on console. AND, that they in average have many more games installed and in which they play at same time on a weekly basis. Which maybe explains they are more teased quicker to move on to other entertainments.
There are probably more reasons why BF1 faded out so relatively fast versus the longer lasting and older BF4. But its not all just due to the older WW setting and weapons/vehicles in the game. The BFHardLine game faded even faster despite the contemporary setting and modern weapons. But one can argue that it was not even a proper BF game, due to the nature of that game.
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Both the BF1 and especially the BFV game have picture perfect scenery and also the game mechanics in the final updated BFV game are probably the best we have had across all BF games. Just logging on and going to one of the historic battlefield scenes is a joy for the eye. But it obviously takes more to attract the players and keep them coming back for more of the real BF gaming.
BFStats.com was really very very good back in the days, not just for the live player population tracking for the games. But also for the servers, our soldiers and especially all the insights on weapon and vehicle statistics!
On the Battlefield group on Reddit we together extracted all the detailed data on previous BF games around 1 year into after the launch of BF1, as we started to wonder if it was really dropping faster versus previous BF games or not. And here below are the stats on BF4, BFHL and BF1 from back then (sorry, i do not have anymore the link to the Reddit discussion we had on this, but you might be able to search/find it again).
After BF1 had dropped below the BF4 player population on 3 consecutive months, then EA pulled the plug on the BF API component, so no 3rd parties anymore could track or report on true live game data and active player populations across the BF games across all platforms. And that was effectively the end of BFStats.com.
Some interesting observations are:
BF4 ramp-up suffered seriously in the first months at launch on Playstation, as you may remember that it was simply not possible to buy any PS4 the first many months there. A bit the same situation we can say we have today with PS5, where demand is much higher than product availability.
Consoles represent by far the biggest player population for the BF games.
PC players tend to have significant shorter term loyalty to a game. Market research points to also that PC BF players are in average much younger than the BF players on console. AND, that they in average have many more games installed and in which they play at same time on a weekly basis. Which maybe explains they are more teased quicker to move on to other entertainments.
There are probably more reasons why BF1 faded out so relatively fast versus the longer lasting and older BF4. But its not all just due to the older WW setting and weapons/vehicles in the game. The BFHardLine game faded even faster despite the contemporary setting and modern weapons. But one can argue that it was not even a proper BF game, due to the nature of that game.
-
Both the BF1 and especially the BFV game have picture perfect scenery and also the game mechanics in the final updated BFV game are probably the best we have had across all BF games. Just logging on and going to one of the historic battlefield scenes is a joy for the eye. But it obviously takes more to attract the players and keep them coming back for more of the real BF gaming.
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I remember when they shutdown the API to save face when BF1 was bleeding players.
I'm in complete agreement with your last paragraph. I sunk in many hours into BF1 and BFV but always felt disappointed that they just didn't have the feel of a BF3 or BF4. They felt like a spinoff rather than a main series iteration. Playing the BF2042 beta despite its issues was a nostalgia trip.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":3,"postTime":"2021-10-17T08:11:42.606-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-10-17T08:11:42.606-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":709},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:6788167/message:6788186","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:8":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:8","position":19,"name":"Hero+","color":"ED8B00","icon":null,"rankStyle":"FILLED"},"User:user:229688":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:229688","uid":229688,"login":"ragnarok013","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-09-06T05:40:49.419-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/images/dS0yMjk2ODgtUFk5aHJ5?image-coordinates=0%2C0%2C252%2C252"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:8"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:229688"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788194":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:6788194","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788194":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:229688"},"id":"message:6788194","revisionNum":1,"uid":6788194,"depth":6,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"AcceptedSolutionMessage:message:6788184"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:6788167"},"subject":"Re: -EA...if you want money pls make a game same as BF4...but EXACTLY the same","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788194"},"body":"
@CyberDyme wrote:PC players tend to have significant shorter term loyalty to a game.
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@CyberDyme As a PC/Xbox/Playstation gamer I have issue with this assertion. Try playing older Battlefields years after end of life on console and it's a ghost town. Do it on PC and you can still find active servers of BF1942, BF2, BC2, BF3, BF4 on PC approaching 20 years later. I literally played Quake II online for 20 years with big player populations. PC players seem to have far greater loyalty towards games they like despite having large libraries of games probably because we can't trade them into Gamestop so we own and play them forever. I still have my Quake, Quake II, Battlefield 2 CDs a few feet from my PC.
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I also think that current gen consoles will have this happen moving forward due to backwards compatibility becoming a thing on consoles and the console player base increasingly making digital purchases which means they can no longer trade their game discs into Gamestop a couple of months after the game's launch towards purchasing the next big AAA game.
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One thing that also affects that console players might not play older BFs that much anymore compared to PC players is the case that with a new console most of us move forward and at some point leave the old games behind then as most get ris of old consoles too.
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Greets,
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Travis
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One thing that also affects that console players might not play older BFs that much anymore compared to PC players is the case that with a new console most of us move forward and at some point leave the old games behind then as most get ris of old consoles too.
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Greets,
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Travis
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@Its_Travis_199 that's why I mentioned console backwards compatibility. In fact you and I were talking about older consoles today!
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I just mentioned again as some people still keep their old consoles for the older game to drop in now and then. You should know best 😉
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Greets,
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Travis
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I just mentioned again as some people still keep their old consoles for the older game to drop in now and then. You should know best 😉
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Greets,
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Travis
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Pretty much the only reason I've got a couple of old 360s kicking about - the idea is to get one of them up and running (both have faulty disc drives) so I can play games like Space Marine, which aren't currently backwards compatible.
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Not sure how that stacks up with non-BF games, but with BF games the PC population tends to move on much quicker--if the stats he posted are indeed accurate.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":2,"postTime":"2021-10-18T04:13:46.288-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-10-18T04:13:46.288-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":497},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:6788167/message:6788199","repliesCount":22,"readOnly":false,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:1587648":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1587648","uid":1587648,"login":"Fringerunner","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2013-10-29T09:31:06.987-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1721239493000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:1587648"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788200":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:6788200","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788200":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1587648"},"id":"message:6788200","revisionNum":1,"uid":6788200,"depth":11,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788198"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:6788167"},"subject":"Re: -EA...if you want money pls make a game same as BF4...but EXACTLY the same","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788200"},"body":"@ElliotLH Come to the PC dark side, we have Space Marine with a quasi-active community *and* cookies.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"101","kudosSumWeight":2,"postTime":"2021-10-18T05:16:24.417-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-10-18T05:16:24.417-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":490},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:6788167/message:6788200","repliesCount":7,"readOnly":false,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788201":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:6788201","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788201":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:229688"},"id":"message:6788201","revisionNum":1,"uid":6788201,"depth":8,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788199"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:6788167"},"subject":"Re: -EA...if you want money pls make a game same as BF4...but EXACTLY the same","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788201"},"body":"
@ChugKendall wrote: @ragnarok013 PC games, overall, may have a longer lifespan (don't know, haven't seen any official stats), but the graphic that @CyberDyme posted showed that PC players had the biggest drop-off, after 8 months, with the latest Battlefield releases--moreso than Xbox or PS. Not sure how that stacks up with non-BF games, but with BF games the PC population tends to move on much quicker--if the stats he posted are indeed accurate.
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@ChugKendall the graphic was excellent - so excellent that I saved it. The PC crowd may have the highest difference in peak player count between launch and 8 months later but it has the longest sustained population. I played Battlefield on every available platform for each title until BF5 then I stuck solely with PC due to the live service so I've experienced this phenomenon personally.
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@ChugKendall wrote: @ragnarok013PC games, overall, may have a longer lifespan (don't know, haven't seen any official stats), but the graphic that @CyberDyme posted showed that PC players had the biggest drop-off, after 8 months, with the latest Battlefield releases--moreso than Xbox or PS. Not sure how that stacks up with non-BF games, but with BF games the PC population tends to move on much quicker--if the stats he posted are indeed accurate.
It is always hard with numbers, to validate their true meaning and root causes behind any trends we might observe from them. Now as we do not have the BF API working anymore, its even more challenging to pull out numbers which we might all agree to is the 'picture of the truth' so to speak.
A hard part is also that our own personal understanding or what we thought was the case, is maybe not so when looking at the factual data from a different angle. Personally I am not emotionally engaged one way or the other with these numbers, but simply just trying to understand what we can learn from them.
And its not about how we personally look at any game being better than another. That is not the reason I shared the BFStats here with you. It is to understand what the larger world market for game software looks like and what the world population of consumers cares about, why and for how long. The business fundamentals for that market. I am personally vested in it for making money, if money can be made from it...
But personally in my spare time I still love the old BF3 and BF4 games. The PS3 platform integrity though is no longer supported by Sony (so jail-breaking of the console opens up for cheats) and EA only have few servers running, so limited game options there. Likewise with BF4, I personally really love that gameplay, mechanics and all. But truth be told, there are no more money to be made from that, so EA obviously is closing it down sooner than later. So despite its still a great game and we are thousands of players worldwide caring for it, we are left behind with no support and dwindling number of servers and players also as result.
Now, as you just ask about the numbers, if they really are real...?
I cant tell of course, except that is how the live numbers came out when pulled from BFStats.
And we all despite our personal interest and differences on the Reddit BF group, all congregated on these numbers being the hard reality, no matter if we liked the numbers or not.
And if you think PC is more sustainable than console, (think also that we nerds here on this forum, we are not 'the norm' or the average BF game consumer 😀) so how about checking the number of BF4 servers and their number of active players you have live on Battlelog then?
So roughly 30 servers with an active game, with approx. 1030 players.
And around 25 servers with only 1-2 players hanging to start them up...
Again sounds shocking low, but hey its Monday morning and these are the hard numbers.
Reality for EA and their server hosting partners...
And this is just a snapshot of current state on BF4. The numbers and the player population across the platforms also fluctuate during the day and during the weekdays. And it is this bigger picture that we need to relate to, to justify any business investment to develop such games. Not our own personal emotional attachment to one game or the other, one platform or the other. Hope you understand now that my motivation is not to skew any numbers here or promote one versus another. I care about the facts and the hard numbers of reality and how we best use that knowledge to prosper better going forward...
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I may need to reassess now I know you have cookies though...","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":2,"postTime":"2021-10-18T06:16:59.220-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-10-18T06:16:59.220-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":458},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:6788167/message:6788204","repliesCount":4,"readOnly":false,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788205":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:6788205","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788205":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1587648"},"id":"message:6788205","revisionNum":1,"uid":6788205,"depth":13,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788204"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:6788167"},"subject":"Re: -EA...if you want money pls make a game same as BF4...but EXACTLY the same","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788205"},"body":"
@ElliotLHWe have bumpers stickers and everything, you just have to use a permanent marker to cross out \"dark side\" and add PC over it.
And yea, i might actually spend more time on console too if it wasn't for two kids and a wife that hog the TV 99% of the time (i can't describe how much i hate animal crossing), but the office PC i share with no-one!
Edit: Also not the greatest time to start a PC build, the prices right now are insane for anything over mid-range on the GPU-side.
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Fwiw, my own experiences with 4 lately reflect that too.
The 0600-1600 period CET period tends to be low due to the US crowd going to bed and the EU crowd going to/being at work or school, but afternoon EU to near midnight EST tend to have quite a few servers with queues in the last month alone.
Can take a snapshot tonight at around 2200 CET and see what the state is then, i suspect it'll look different.
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For the fun of it, we can try and take a snapshot of the servers 3-4 times for per day over the next few days and see what the numbers looks like.
Any of you who also have access to the Xbox numbers please?
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BF4 was always still pretty well filled when i jumped back in, even people in queue on certain servers. 🙌
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Greets,
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Travis
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You've got my sympathies about the TV too - that's a constant battle in our house too (one I normally lose too, same as you).","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-10-18T10:02:35.924-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-10-18T10:02:35.924-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":429},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:6788167/message:6788210","repliesCount":2,"readOnly":false,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788212":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:6788212","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788212":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1587648"},"id":"message:6788212","revisionNum":1,"uid":6788212,"depth":15,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788210"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:6788167"},"subject":"Re: -EA...if you want money pls make a game same as BF4...but EXACTLY the same","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788212"},"body":"@ElliotLH Yea, i have two girls (one just in her teens) and everything from what to watch to what games are played is a not a winnable battle outside of mario cart...
As for the PC hardware, it's really weird right now, you can even save some money on pre-built boxes from places like microcenter or other vendors if you're stateside, or from similar places in Europe.
What i really don't get is the price discrepancy where I'm at, I'm looking at a 6900xt to replace a 2080TI, and it's almost US$500 cheaper than a 3080.
Probably just local market bias, but i'm not going to complain seeing as they're still insanely expensive compared to a few years ago. (The 6900xt is still nearly US$1600 though which is painful)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":2,"postTime":"2021-10-18T10:38:18.712-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-10-18T10:38:18.712-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":413},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:6788167/message:6788212","repliesCount":1,"readOnly":false,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788213":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:6788213","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788213":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:228337"},"id":"message:6788213","revisionNum":1,"uid":6788213,"depth":16,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788212"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:6788167"},"subject":"Re: -EA...if you want money pls make a game same as BF4...but EXACTLY the same","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788213"},"body":"@Fringerunner Oh you're definitely not winning any battles there! Definitely good you've got your own space to enjoy (I hope you abuse the blue shell when you're playing Mario Kart too).
Prices, I guess anyway, would probably be similar to what you're seeing. The discrepancy could be even worse for other countries, not to mention supply issues.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-10-18T12:04:56.481-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-10-18T12:04:56.481-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":405},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:6788167/message:6788213","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788214":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:6788214","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788214":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1475079"},"id":"message:6788214","revisionNum":1,"uid":6788214,"depth":9,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788201"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:6788167"},"subject":"Re: -EA...if you want money pls make a game same as BF4...but EXACTLY the same","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788214"},"body":"@ragnarok013 I don't doubt your knowledge of PC play longevity. Personally, I don't usually go back to an older shooter game, but I have done that recently, with BF4. I'm going to try BFV again, next.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"200","kudosSumWeight":3,"postTime":"2021-10-18T14:35:54.227-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-10-18T14:35:54.227-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":380},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:6788167/message:6788214","repliesCount":3,"readOnly":false,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:5004760":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:5004760","uid":5004760,"login":"Buzzfunk","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-09-25T00:27:30.631-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1721239591000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:5004760"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788215":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:6788215","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788215":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:5004760"},"id":"message:6788215","revisionNum":1,"uid":6788215,"depth":10,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:6788214"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:6788167"},"subject":"Re: -EA...if you want money pls make a game same as BF4...but EXACTLY the same","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:6788215"},"body":"
I think BF 1 and BF V are great. Very visceral. Sadly, almost no BF 1 servers for me anymore aside from 1-2.
To be honest, i dont need 2042 to be like BF 4. I want it to be fresh but its puzzling to see how the developer does not keep everything that made it good and just remove the bad stuff while adding new features. Playing the beta, i kept shaking my head trying to figure out how Dice thought this would be a good representation of their new game. It clearly was not. The word \"beta\" only helps if the full version is like 6-12 months away. If they really *just* wanted to test servers, a blog post that would clear up why things like comma rose etc were left out would've helped a lot. Instead, they hype other features and ignoring the feedback (IMO). Sorry - got carried away.
I guess we will find out these things on launch day. Hopefully some early reviews will pop up so i can decide whether to buy it or not.
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@ChugKendall wrote: @ragnarok013PC games, overall, may have a longer lifespan (don't know, haven't seen any official stats), but the graphic that @CyberDyme posted showed that PC players had the biggest drop-off, after 8 months, with the latest Battlefield releases--moreso than Xbox or PS. Not sure how that stacks up with non-BF games, but with BF games the PC population tends to move on much quicker--if the stats he posted are indeed accurate.
And if you think PC is more sustainable than console, (think also that we nerds here on this forum, we are not 'the norm' or the average BF game consumer 😀) so how about checking the number of BF4 servers and their number of active players you have live on Battlelog then?
So roughly 30 servers with an active game, with approx. 1030 players.
And around 25 servers with only 1-2 players hanging to start them up...
Again sounds shocking low, but hey its Monday morning and these are the hard numbers.
Reality for EA and their server hosting partners...
1. Battlelog server browser has always been bugged. Not setting any filters does not show you the full amount of servers. Even selecting \"Battlefield 4\" as a filter will show you different servers than with no filters at all. So no, I am sure those are not all the servers. You'd have to search manually with different filters to find all populated servers.
2. On top of that; 14:24 CET. Everyone in the US is sleeping and everyone in Europe is working. The worst possible time to do a \"test\" like that, as you said.
Games in general are sustainable on any platform if the players are given tools to play them, PC games just tend to have a more open ecosystem for players to flourish in. Remember all the dozens of mods for Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 2 with their own servers?That's what Battlefield used to be about, and the ability to host proper servers with custom rules is still a core experience for BF. Not to forget, console players usually switch to a new console sooner or later whereas some PC players still pop in for a round of Battlefield 2.
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