Last few days I’m getting placed in lobbies of average players with average amount of kills and average badges, who all seem to have better aim than shroud. They do NOT miss a bullet.
I just played a tdm match against a triple masters octane player who was obviously a good player, yet he was at the bottom of the scoreboard, getting outclassed by random level 200 players who just do not miss a bullet. Yet they have movement and gamesense of a carton of milk.
Am I being placed in cheater lobbies, or people with strikepacks or what?
Again, this isnt me crying or complaining that someone outaimed me, i can recognize when someone is actually a good player. But these are people with seemingly little skill and close to zero gamesense who aim better than aceu. What is going on?
@zdpzpo42fszrCould be anything really. Level doesn't mean anything. Badges can be bought or earned through friends. Even movement and game sense do not really equate to aim. Some people can beam but have no idea how to take an angle or in the moment make a mistake. We all have our moments and amazing aim and poor decisions.
LOL, people trying to avoid the elephant in the room..
It's called aim-assist. Controller players can say what they want.
This is my exact experience since season 11..
I can easily put up a fair fight against mouse and keyboard players, even if they're better than me,
but against controller players, it doesn't matter if they are level 5 and not able to distinguish between left and right, I simply don't stand a chance.
It's a joke at this point. So sad to see a game that was once my favorite game go down like this.
These players have, like you said, no gamesense.
Sometimes I spectate these people. It unbelievable how bad they are. And it's fine to be bad at the game lol. We all have been.
But why do someone like me with 20 000 kills get killed by clueless players 99% of the time?
And Respawn doesn't seem to understand how to fix it.. Just put MnK players in their own lobby. Like, what's the problem?
It's so funny how you must try your absolute best to even have a chance anymore.. Against level 5 players! Sickening..
Previously you would see these people from a distance and you could tell by everything they did that they were a free kill.
But now with aim-assist involved it's like running up to a cheater.
I hope this game dies under its own weight. Apex was frustrating since day 1, but since season 11, when they buffed aim-assist big time, it's simply unplayable.
"LOL, people trying to avoid the elephant in the room.. It's called aim-assist. Controller players can say what they want."
Oh, I will. If aim assist worked the way you're saying it works then every single controller player in the game would have a 90% accuracy rate. Yes or no?
@reconzero The vast majority of controller players don't miss alot of bullets. LOL. You are such a troll. I can make two almost identical posts: you agree with one and disagree with the other.. I don't care if they gave controller players 100% aimbot. Just put us in different lobbies. Do you think it's normal that a player with 20 000 kills can barely defeat some random controller player with two kills? Yes or no?
For me the past couple of days the MM on mixtape has been acting on adderall.
No middle ground. You get absolutely crushed x amount of games against the sweats and then it throws you a bone by putting those sweats on your side for the undeserving win.
Thanks to MMR there is no difference between smurf & main accounts so some of the enemies might have lower stats due to that.
But thats what the EOMM misses out on most of middle ground players as its so obviously rigged. I am not going to keep playing after that as I know whats coming next.
IMO Also to keep the EOMM the cheaters are being let to run rampant so that the top skill bucket players dont get bored of winning all the time. https://youtu.be/2AQ2k2biwik?si=fdLeyPhu9rg7MJIV
Hmmmmm. One of us may be missing something here. Yes, I'd like to see pc and console segregated. No, I do not believe "the vast majority of controller players don't miss a lot of bullets." Maybe you mean pc controller players? Don't know on that one. Console controller players miss plenty of shots.
"Do you think it's normal that a player with 20 000 kills can barely defeat some random controller player with two kills?"
No, I don't. And in my mostly-console lobbies this doesn't happen unless "two kill" guy is a Smurf. Which in case you didn't know is very much a thing in this game.
When you talk about the problems that mnk players face against pc controller players it makes a lot of sense, and I agree with you. When you make blanket statements such as, "the vast majority of controller players don't miss a lot of bullets," my mind does not auto-fill the word "pc" in front of "controller players," and it makes me think you're insane. Sorry if that makes me seem like a troll.
Hi All, not sure how this became ANOTHER AA discussion. AA has been in the game since the beginning and the OP specifically said his trouble started very recently. If people are having trouble where they didn't 1, 2 or 3 years in its very likely not AA. It could be many many things including their own skill related to lack of play time, sbmm or something else entirely.
Unfortunately this is a complaint thread semi-disguised as an anti-aim assist thread.
I think many people who hate aim assist have an aneurism when they see people supporting the idea of segregated lobbies while simultaneously highlighting the advantages of MnK input (despite controller AA).
I’m a high level console player (that is no where near pro level, but still in the top 5% of players overall). I don’t hit “every shot” like the OP suggests. Maybe that’s because I’m not using a strikepack or macros like 80% of the people in the top MMR console lobbies— but it is what it is.
This ENTIRE argument decays into the simple fact that inputs should be separated. I don’t care what side of the argument someone is on— players should have a choice on what input they play on AND against.
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Last few days I’m getting placed in lobbies of average players with average amount of kills and average badges, who all seem to have better aim than shroud. They do NOT miss a bullet.
I just played a tdm match against a triple masters octane player who was obviously a good player, yet he was at the bottom of the scoreboard, getting outclassed by random level 200 players who just do not miss a bullet. Yet they have movement and gamesense of a carton of milk.
Am I being placed in cheater lobbies, or people with strikepacks or what?
Again, this isnt me crying or complaining that someone outaimed me, i can recognize when someone is actually a good player. But these are people with seemingly little skill and close to zero gamesense who aim better than aceu. What is going on?
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Last few days I’m getting placed in lobbies of average players with average amount of kills and average badges, who all seem to have better aim than shroud. They do NOT miss a bullet.
I just played a tdm match against a triple masters octane player who was obviously a good player, yet he was at the bottom of the scoreboard, getting outclassed by random level 200 players who just do not miss a bullet. Yet they have movement and gamesense of a carton of milk.
Am I being placed in cheater lobbies, or people with strikepacks or what?
Again, this isnt me crying or complaining that someone outaimed me, i can recognize when someone is actually a good player. But these are people with seemingly little skill and close to zero gamesense who aim better than aceu. What is going on?
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If it's Mixtape it's probably just a bunch of really legit PC players you're facing.
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@zdpzpo42fszrCould be anything really. Level doesn't mean anything. Badges can be bought or earned through friends. Even movement and game sense do not really equate to aim. Some people can beam but have no idea how to take an angle or in the moment make a mistake. We all have our moments and amazing aim and poor decisions.
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LOL, people trying to avoid the elephant in the room..
It's called aim-assist. Controller players can say what they want.
This is my exact experience since season 11..
I can easily put up a fair fight against mouse and keyboard players, even if they're better than me,
but against controller players, it doesn't matter if they are level 5 and not able to distinguish between left and right, I simply don't stand a chance.
It's a joke at this point. So sad to see a game that was once my favorite game go down like this.
These players have, like you said, no gamesense.
Sometimes I spectate these people. It unbelievable how bad they are. And it's fine to be bad at the game lol. We all have been.
But why do someone like me with 20 000 kills get killed by clueless players 99% of the time?
And Respawn doesn't seem to understand how to fix it.. Just put MnK players in their own lobby. Like, what's the problem?
It's so funny how you must try your absolute best to even have a chance anymore.. Against level 5 players! Sickening..
Previously you would see these people from a distance and you could tell by everything they did that they were a free kill.
But now with aim-assist involved it's like running up to a cheater.
I hope this game dies under its own weight. Apex was frustrating since day 1, but since season 11, when they buffed aim-assist big time, it's simply unplayable.
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\"LOL, people trying to avoid the elephant in the room.. It's called aim-assist. Controller players can say what they want.\"
Oh, I will. If aim assist worked the way you're saying it works then every single controller player in the game would have a 90% accuracy rate. Yes or no?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":2,"postTime":"2024-01-05T08:35:59.446-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-05T08:35:59.446-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1043},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:apex-legends-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:apex-legends-general-discussion-en/message:5742657/message:5742662","repliesCount":60,"readOnly":false,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:5742663":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:5742663","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:5742663":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:3757287"},"id":"message:5742663","revisionNum":1,"uid":5742663,"depth":3,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:apex-legends-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:5742662"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:5742657"},"subject":"Re: Average players with godlike aim","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:5742663"},"body":"@reconzero The vast majority of controller players don't miss alot of bullets. LOL. You are such a troll. I can make two almost identical posts: you agree with one and disagree with the other.. I don't care if they gave controller players 100% aimbot. Just put us in different lobbies. Do you think it's normal that a player with 20 000 kills can barely defeat some random controller player with two kills? Yes or no?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":2,"postTime":"2024-01-05T10:26:54.642-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-05T10:26:54.642-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1032},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:apex-legends-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:apex-legends-general-discussion-en/message:5742657/message:5742663","repliesCount":6,"readOnly":false,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:4531674":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:4531674","uid":4531674,"login":"Airish85","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2023-03-24T02:34:25.917-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1721239660000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:4531674"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:5742664":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:5742664","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:5742664":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:4531674"},"id":"message:5742664","revisionNum":1,"uid":5742664,"depth":4,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:apex-legends-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:5742663"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:5742657"},"subject":"Re: Average players with godlike aim","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:5742664"},"body":"
For me the past couple of days the MM on mixtape has been acting on adderall.
No middle ground. You get absolutely crushed x amount of games against the sweats and then it throws you a bone by putting those sweats on your side for the undeserving win.
Thanks to MMR there is no difference between smurf & main accounts so some of the enemies might have lower stats due to that.
But thats what the EOMM misses out on most of middle ground players as its so obviously rigged. I am not going to keep playing after that as I know whats coming next.
IMO Also to keep the EOMM the cheaters are being let to run rampant so that the top skill bucket players dont get bored of winning all the time. https://youtu.be/2AQ2k2biwik?si=fdLeyPhu9rg7MJIV
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Hmmmmm. One of us may be missing something here. Yes, I'd like to see pc and console segregated. No, I do not believe \"the vast majority of controller players don't miss a lot of bullets.\" Maybe you mean pc controller players? Don't know on that one. Console controller players miss plenty of shots.
\"Do you think it's normal that a player with 20 000 kills can barely defeat some random controller player with two kills?\"
No, I don't. And in my mostly-console lobbies this doesn't happen unless \"two kill\" guy is a Smurf. Which in case you didn't know is very much a thing in this game.
When you talk about the problems that mnk players face against pc controller players it makes a lot of sense, and I agree with you. When you make blanket statements such as, \"the vast majority of controller players don't miss a lot of bullets,\" my mind does not auto-fill the word \"pc\" in front of \"controller players,\" and it makes me think you're insane. Sorry if that makes me seem like a troll.
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Hi All, not sure how this became ANOTHER AA discussion. AA has been in the game since the beginning and the OP specifically said his trouble started very recently. If people are having trouble where they didn't 1, 2 or 3 years in its very likely not AA. It could be many many things including their own skill related to lack of play time, sbmm or something else entirely.
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Unfortunately this is a complaint thread semi-disguised as an anti-aim assist thread.
I think many people who hate aim assist have an aneurism when they see people supporting the idea of segregated lobbies while simultaneously highlighting the advantages of MnK input (despite controller AA).
I’m a high level console player (that is no where near pro level, but still in the top 5% of players overall). I don’t hit “every shot” like the OP suggests. Maybe that’s because I’m not using a strikepack or macros like 80% of the people in the top MMR console lobbies— but it is what it is.
This ENTIRE argument decays into the simple fact that inputs should be separated. I don’t care what side of the argument someone is on— players should have a choice on what input they play on AND 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