Are they intentionally ruining the BF franchise? [ Edited ]

[Battlefield3_95]

This is my logical conclusion frankly. I've never seen any franchise (TV, movies, games etc..)or more generally a brand, self-destruct in this manner.

DICE are seriously tone-deaf. They received feedback from the start on specialists and how they absolutely ruin the BF experience. They then chose to complete change the tone of the series with those cringey, cartooney specialist call outs and EOR scenes. I won't even start talking about map design, the air vehicle movement or the missing features..

They changed the franchise fundamentally  to sell skins but they now struggle to find players to sell skins to.

Battlefield was the only thing I liked to play. My consoles would sit their collecting dust if it wasn't for Battlefield. 

It was special. Nothing like it. It was it's own thing and it did that in such an amazing way. Now it chases trends, and by doing so, they managed to alienate 90% of their playerbase who are now gone. 

I don't think there will be a sequel for Battlefield given how poorly this game is retaining the players.

I'm sad more than anything really and wanted to vent a bit. Battlefield truly held a special place in my heart and gave me such joy over the past 10 years.

[CordlezToaster]

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@Battlefield3_95 wrote:

This is my logical conclusion frankly. I've never seen any franchise (TV, movies, games etc..)or more generally a brand, self-destruct in this manner.

DICE are seriously tone-deaf. They received feedback from the start on specialists and how they absolutely ruin the BF experience. They then chose to complete change the tone of the series with those cringey, cartooney specialist call outs and EOR scenes. I won't even start talking about map design, the air vehicle movement or the missing features..

They changed the franchise fundamentally  to sell skins but they now struggle to find players to sell skins to.

Battlefield was the only thing I liked to play. My consoles would sit their collecting dust if it wasn't for Battlefield. 

It was special. Nothing like it. It was it's own thing and it did that in such an amazing way. Now it chases trends, and by doing so, they managed to alienate 90% of their playerbase who are now gone. 

I don't think there will be a sequel for Battlefield given how poorly this game is retaining the players.

I'm sad more than anything really and wanted to vent a bit. Battlefield truly held a special place in my heart and gave me such joy over the past 10 years.

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Game of thrones self-destructed pretty well.

Nothing is stopping you from playing other battlefield versions 1,v and 4 all have a healthy player base.

Give it time and it will be fixed.

[-DFA-Thump]

@Battlefield3_95 Honestly, I think it's a AAA trend. They are trying to subvert expectations and make subpar the new bar of excellence.

[Battlefield3_95]

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@CordlezToaster wrote:

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@Battlefield3_95 wrote:

This is my logical conclusion frankly. I've never seen any franchise (TV, movies, games etc..)or more generally a brand, self-destruct in this manner.

DICE are seriously tone-deaf. They received feedback from the start on specialists and how they absolutely ruin the BF experience. They then chose to complete change the tone of the series with those cringey, cartooney specialist call outs and EOR scenes. I won't even start talking about map design, the air vehicle movement or the missing features..

They changed the franchise fundamentally  to sell skins but they now struggle to find players to sell skins to.

Battlefield was the only thing I liked to play. My consoles would sit their collecting dust if it wasn't for Battlefield. 

It was special. Nothing like it. It was it's own thing and it did that in such an amazing way. Now it chases trends, and by doing so, they managed to alienate 90% of their playerbase who are now gone. 

I don't think there will be a sequel for Battlefield given how poorly this game is retaining the players.

I'm sad more than anything really and wanted to vent a bit. Battlefield truly held a special place in my heart and gave me such joy over the past 10 years.

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Game of thrones self-destructed pretty well.

Nothing is stopping you from playing other battlefield versions 1,v and 4 all have a healthy player base.

Give it time and it will be fixed.

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The game being "fixed" means bugs, technical and performance issues being fixed. I don't care about that. The game design itself is bad. Specialists? Classes? Map design? Tone of the game? Vehicle movement? There is no fixing this..

BF4 at launch I would crash every hour but I would rejoin the server. This game I wouldn't reinstall even if it has perfect performance and 0 bugs. It's just a bad game.

[Battlefield3_95]

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@-DFA-Thump wrote:
@Battlefield3_95Honestly, I think it's a AAA trend. They are trying to subvert expectations and make subpar the new bar of excellence.

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Could very well be the case. We will never get something like BF3/BF4 for sure..

[Buzzfunk]

One thing is for sure: The game design will not change. If you think they will remove the specialists you are have a fever dream. I dont think they intended to kill it but from what i can tell, the game design is terrible sp maybe it looked like fun on paper but its execution is miserable really. Im sure fixes will keep coming. They will add a scoreboard maybe, server browser etc but the general tone, i would not know how they could fix it. More content will come im sure. Maybe the next maps will be better. Who knows.....

From everything im seeing, it doesnt look good. A single, lousy new map by end of March. The game is on life support til then. 

[DeepSixxxx]

Dear Dice,

Steps to easily stop the player count plummet by changing the title to "BattleField Royalee NFT", and adding in a few small changes:

-Take away all gadgets and replace with ramp and wall building abilities

-Remove all parachutes and replace with $20 umbrella gliders, purchased using "B-Bucks" via unsuspecting parental credit cards

-Change the game modes and METAs daily to match Twitch star requests

-Add the latest Marvel characters each season, and a bunch of money desperate B-rated movie stars

-Sell $452,000 bored gorilla NFTs in the company store, sure to attract multiple rappers and other music talents

So easy, even a Dice director, who has never even played the game, could do it!

Your Welcome...

[RipGroove99]

@CordlezToasterFixed? No. Too many of the issues with 2042 are completely baked in or are design choices made intentionally. It can't be fixed to a satisfactory level. The only thing that will save the franchise is if the next BF is perfect in every way, which is probably not going to happen. Hopefully enough people will revert back to previous BF games so EA will see that 2042 has the lowest player count of all the BF games and they'd be forced to realise that the playerbase prefers that style of BF game. 

I'm doing my bit by hitting BFV quite hard at the moment, once o get bored of that or hit level 500 I'll go back to BF1 because it didn't play an awful lot of that while is was out and it's quite good fun, level design is great, graphics are great and the gun play is on point. So with BFF, BF1 and whatever I play outside of the BF franchise I have more than enough to keep me busy until the next BF is released, if its crap like 2042 then that'll be it for me with BF but if it's really good then all will be well. 

[Battlefield3_95]

@RipGroove99 I agree. Damage is already done. But the only way the franchise survives is if they go back to the classic BF formula next game. Classes, maps designed specifically for game modes, better map design, serious military tone, revamping vehicle movement and handling to how it was in 3/4.. basically next game needs to be an updated BF3/BF4 otherwise Battlefield is a dead franchise

[moose004]

@Battlefield3_95 No, they aren't intentionally ruining it...as they see it.

I think the folks in the middle and upper ranks at DICE and EA just don't think that, say, BF3 and BF4 in the modern age is a good thing. They don't get what made Battlefield in its classic era so special. Their experience is with the modern, hyper-kinetic, mega-monetized Games as a Service experience. Fortnite, Apex, COD MW2019/BOCW/Vanguard. That's what their experience is in so that's what they gravitate toward. Microtransactions. Character-based gameplay with skins skins skins. Fast movement, flashy graphics, high-energy go-go-go-go gameplay.

So they take the classic Battlefield combined-arms formula from 1942 up through Battlefield V and mix in a little COD here, a little hero shooter there, a pinch of battle royale, a skins store, throw it all in the oven...and what comes out is an unholy * child of Overwatch and Planetside. It's not a hero shooter, it's not a BR, it's not really an arena shooter, and it's damn sure not Battlefield as we've known it.