January 2021
@JonaO703 , I can totally understand how you could get caught up with completing whims! I used to be the same way, but have been able to igore some of them, and then just focus on those ones I really want to do! I find they are a great source of rewards points and if I want to purchase the Rewards items then I need the points to do so! But for players who never use these reward items or traits, then there really isn't any reason to complete the whims! 😅
I am a bit confused where you said " Also, I think if lists were generated, they should not be persistent. They should pop up and go away just like they do now." I think you might have meant to answer my point about the social interaction menu conflicting with the action queue, but I also mentioned this could be fixed by putting the social interactions on the right side of the screen. But my main problem with the list idea was that if my Sim is in one area of the screen, the social options should be near the Sim, and not not near the edges of the screen like @canelacaliente 's examples showed. So, if they do ever do a socials list, I hope it would be near the subject you are interacting with!
That said, I still don't think anyone understands why I think submenus for the some of the existing Friendly interactions would be helpful. I think they would be helpful because submenus already work! What I mean by that is that if you are doing Romantic interactions, the choices from the Mean interactions menu never show up in the Romance submenu! And the only Joke interactions that show up in the Romance menu is the "tell dirty joke" choice, which makes sense. This is what I want for the current Friendly interactions, the ones like Weather and Vampires, and Work-related interactions! The "Friendly category is entirely too large as it exists now. It needs to be broken up in some way and better organized!
I don't really want a list of interactions because while we won't have to click as much, we will still have to do a lot of scrolling! I don't want to have to wade through a long list of choices without any organization to the system! 😣 So if it is the New Years Eve and all those choices are at top, then I still have to wade through all of them to find a work or vampire, or other category? That would still be tedious.
I do completely agree with you about the holiday socials since it is always the complaining one first and all the ones anyone is most likely to want to use are all 5 or 6 clicks deep ! That is really aggravating! 😥
While I love the idea of them giving us a choice of weather we use the traditional (but improved!) pie menu or a list, I don't think they will do that, unfortunately/
I guess what it boils down to is that it would be nice if we could see different versions in action of what each person is suggesting instead of just us trying to describe what we actually mean! 😅
It would be really funny if we could do this and then all of us change our minds and I end up wanting a list and you and @canelacaliente ended up wanting better division and organization in the categories'! 🤣😉
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@PugLove888 I think you hit on one really big point here when you said "I don't think they will do that" pertaining to having the menu options. I'm not optimistic we'll see any of this change, especially with so little participation in the discussion.
Actually, my initial reply was the first in this thread to mention submenus. So I agree with you that we need to separate the friendly socials somehow. Maybe what I said wasn't exactly clear though. I was just trying to see @canelacaliente 's point that it still forces you to dive into further menus. I really am not trying to fight with you. You're trying to understand what others are saying and I certainly appreciate that.
Ultimately, everyone is going to have their own preference. “You can’t please all the people all of the time” (John Lydgate) To be clear, I'd like to have the Friendly socials separated, whether by sub-menus or new primary menus labeled by trait, pack, career, etc. Either way, it will still give us a bunch of things to search for and click but at least it will be more organized and easier to find the ones you want. I also think navigation would be easier to display in a list and if that means it appears as an opaque menu overlaying the active sim, that's okay by me. Currently the pie wheel only gives us a certain number of menus / socials to choose from. So I personally think a list would be able to show more at once and easier to navigate. Though I do realize others will have a different preference. And as I also said before, pushing socials related to events / holidays to the top would be most helpful.
I do hope we hear more ideas from other players on this topic. I hope others click "me too" to show the developers that this topic is important. Until that happens, I think we're just going around in circles.
January 2021
January 2021
January 2021
I seriously debated with myself whether or not to reply to this thread again. Ultimately, I just couldn't help myself. I confess, I'm a buttinsky. I'm not a programmer and I have no experience in design, UX or otherwise. My background is in information analysis, I have some IT experience and I LOVE playing TS4 (actually I'm pretty sure I have an addiction problem at this point). That's it. I would like this thread to be taken seriously but that's not going to happen if we attack each other for stating our opinions and preferences. Let's face it, online communication can be tricky. It's very easy to read something the wrong way and/or assume unintended slights.
@canelacaliente It's clear you are passionate about this and I very much appreciate that. It's also clear that you've done your research and know what you're talking about. We don't know each other but, for what it's worth, I don't think @PugLove888 meant any disrespect.
Regardless of differing opinions and preferences, the one thing we all seem to agree on is that the Friendly socials are bloated and need to be separated into new categories. Personally, I like the list idea, as I said before, but I'm not going to repeat all my opinions / preferences here. I'm also intrigued by @Psychotps 's "sort" suggestion, I'm just not sure how that would look in the social menus.
Anyway, I am very much interested and invested in this discussion. It is an important topic and I hope it gets serious attention. Changing the interface so that the social menus are easier to navigate has the potential to vastly improve the players' experience and that's really what this forum is all about, right?
February 2021
@JonaO703 I didn't think @PugLove888 meant any disrespect either. I actually didn't know that person was attacking me. I honestly don't care.
March 2021
@canelacaliente , I wasn't attacking you, so I"m glad you didn't see it that way! 😅 We just have different ideas about how to fix this problem. @JonaO703 is correct in that I meant no harm! 😊
I just know that the only menu I have a problem with is the Friendly menu. All the other menus are in the proper subcategories. The Friendly menu is way to large and unwieldy! If it was compartmentalized like the rest of the categories it would work like them.
I wasn't talking about the computer menu, and though it is also a pie menu, I don't have much problem with it other once in a great while. The problem is social menu, and for me almost all of the problem rests in the Friendly section of the Social menu. You might have a problem will all aspects of the social menu, And it sounds like you dislike pie menus overall. I don't mind pie menus as I've been using them for 20 years in all of the Sims versions! I just have a problem with the Sims 4 Social menu in mostly the Friendly category.
(Also I'm a "she" , not a "he". )
Happy Simming!