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Product: The Sims 4
Platform:Sony Playstation 4
Which language are you playing the game in? English
How often does the bug occur? Occasionally (10% - 49%)
What is your current game version number? 1.94.147/1.68
What expansions, game packs, and stuff packs do you have installed? Base game only
Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? Let your Sims start talking, soon they'll start using mean interactions
What happens when the bug occurs? They use mean interactions randomly, without a reason, ruining relationships.
What do you expect to see? I Expect to see Sims talking normally like it was before the last 2/3 patches.
Have you installed any customization with the game, e.g. Custom Content or Mods? On console - never used.
Did this issue appear after a specific patch or change you made to your system? Yes
Please describe the patch or change you made. Note: I personally play on PC but the reports that still occur are for console only so I'm making this report for console at this time. The answers given don't match my situation but the ones of the reporter of this thread to the best of my knowledge.

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Information about this error

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Disclaimer: This is not official info but information Kuttoe (modder) gave me and backed up up by evidence in this thread.

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The mean interaction issue has been solved for most users completely now but there are still a few users reporting hence I'm making a new thread for this.

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There are a few legit interactions but they should not be excessive.

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Legit Interactions

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There are a number of mean interactions that are perfectly legal and happen throughout your game. These are NOT bugs. They should not be excessive though unless you have an NAP or Club rule pushing them.

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Basic Mean Autonomy

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BOTH of these conditions must be met:

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NOT Happy or Flirty
NOT Good or Loyal

Additionally one of the following must be met

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Conversation Quality is Distasteful, Offensive, Abhorrent, Insufferably Tedious, or Very Awkward
Two Sims are Broken Up
Active Sim is angry
Friendly Relationship between the Sims is -10 or lower
Active Sim is Erratic, Mean or Evil
Active Sim is under the effect of the Begonia Flower Arrangement
Active Sim is under the effect of Tense Secret Society Spirt
Active Sim has a bitter or furious Sentiment towards the target Sim.

There's also some nichy autonomy which I don't want to list all at this point but these are probably most common

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Active Sim is a child or teen with the Mean Streak phase
Active Sim is a child or teen with an Empathy score under -35

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Information needed

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If your issue is not explainable by any of the above , please post in this thread with either information which interactions your Sims are still doing. Make sure to post which packs you own and maybe post a video.

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‌

Information about this error

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Disclaimer: This is not official info but information Kuttoe (modder) gave me and backed up up by evidence in this thread.

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The mean interaction issue has been solved for most users completely now but there are still a few users reporting hence I'm making a new thread for this.

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There are a few legit interactions but they should not be excessive.

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Legit Interactions

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Basic Mean Autonomy

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BOTH of these conditions must be met:

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NOT Happy or Flirty
NOT Good or Loyal

Additionally one of the following must be met

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Conversation Quality is Distasteful, Offensive, Abhorrent, Insufferably Tedious, or Very Awkward
Two Sims are Broken Up
Active Sim is angry
Friendly Relationship between the Sims is -10 or lower
Active Sim is Erratic, Mean or Evil
Active Sim is under the effect of the Begonia Flower Arrangement
Active Sim is under the effect of Tense Secret Society Spirt
Active Sim has a bitter or furious Sentiment towards the target Sim.

There's also some nichy autonomy which I don't want to list all at this point but these are probably most common

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Active Sim is a child or teen with the Mean Streak phase
Active Sim is a child or teen with an Empathy score under -35

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Information needed

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I'm still having this problem too and I'm really about to give up on my comfort game bc this has been going on for months and instead of it being an escape, now it's just another thing to * me off. Any news that comes out about a fix is a damn lie. I installed the latest update (PS4) a few days ago and the mean bug actually seems to have gotten worse! They'll ignore any normal interactions I try to have and just yell at each other all the time. And yet I'll see articles and players saying it was \"fixed\". I went to Reddit and the answer I basically got was \"it's fixed for some PC players, but console players are just SOL.\" Thanks EA, was planning on buying some expansion packs but ig I'll just delete the game instead.

I'm definitely still seeing this. I just installed the most recent update (PS4) a few days ago and I keep seeing people say that fixed it for them (mostly PC users only), but for me it only seems to have gotten worse. They won't even do normal interactions at all anymore, just insulting and yelling constantly no matter what I do. No negative traits unless you count erratic, all maxed relationships until all this started. It's completely unplayable and I'm about to just delete it bc it's been going on for months with empty promises of a fix.

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Okay but it never has before? In my experience at least, my erratic Sims only get mean when they have the angry from erratic moodlet. And even with that they RARELY did mean interactions, they just stomped around for a few minutes. I'm talking about this is all the time. Every time they speak. To everyone. No matter how high the relationship is. That is not normal. It's still happening with my non-erratic Sims too. It just simply hasnt been fixed and everyone acting like it has is pissing me off because it's NOT. And why was that your only reaction to my comment? Idk how clearer it could be that it's the BUG. Not my Sims TRAITS. I've literally had Sims with the mean or criminal or whatever trait it's called before and even THEY didn't act like this. So how do you think this is normal??

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All I have is the base game. I was wanting to get some expansion packs, but oh well I guess.

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Select the game and press Options
Either click on Update History or Information.
What version do you see there ?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"133","kudosSumWeight":3,"postTime":"2023-01-22T04:46:20.377-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-01-22T04:46:20.377-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":31285},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"repliesCount":9,"readOnly":true,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:11616810":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:11616810","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:11616810":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1664461"},"id":"message:11616810","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-bug-reports-archive-en/message:11616802/message:11616810","revisionNum":1,"uid":11616810,"depth":6,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-bug-reports-archive-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:11616809"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:11616802"},"subject":"Re: [FIXED] Autonomous Insulting (1.94.147/1.68)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:11616810"},"body":"

1.68 It should be the latest version since I wasted all my hotspot 2 days ago downloading it.

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Also can't look at your save game unfortuantely.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":2,"postTime":"2023-01-22T04:53:51.464-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-01-22T04:53:51.464-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":31241},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"repliesCount":2,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:2127045":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2127045","uid":2127045,"login":"rrichard12468","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2022-11-14T11:06:58.909-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1721239493000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:2127045"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:11616812":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:11616812","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:11616812":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2127045"},"id":"message:11616812","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-bug-reports-archive-en/message:11616802/message:11616812","revisionNum":1,"uid":11616812,"depth":7,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-bug-reports-archive-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:11616810"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:11616802"},"subject":"Re: [FIXED] Autonomous Insulting (1.94.147/1.68)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:11616812"},"body":"@mu95yf3f4x8z Hey there ! First let me say I know this is aggravating , however as a fellow PS4 base game only player I can tell you for sure the mean bug is fixed. So, lets see if we can figure out what is going on with your case. So, I've got some questions for you if you want some help.
#1 do you recall getting the 2 previously released SDX's?

If not, then that could be the problem, as the last SDX (Not the 1.68 Update that you just got) will completely solve the mean bug for the base game only.
Trust me on this I've been dealing with this thing since day one of it.

So the only thing I can think of if your PSN account is not \"Linked\" with EA, then you may have not received the SDX's from EA. (If you received them it would have been obvious as you have to restart the game)

That would be where I would start, as I'm thinking the 1.68 update may not do anything unless you had previously installed the SDX's

Of course I could be wrong as I often am, but it just seems the most likely cause, because like I stated before the last SDX did in fact solve the mean bug for BASE game only, then the 1.68 fixed all the rest of the pack interactions.

Let us know what you come up with !!
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Sul Sul!

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We've now released the latest update for The Sims 4 on all console platforms, this issue should no longer be occurring and this thread will now be closed.

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If you are still seeing any issues on console after this update related to Sims being autonomously mean, please create a new thread here.

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Thanks for bearing with us though this!

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