Unable to use romance interactions with Sim couple - Patch 1.69.59.1020

[ongoingwhy]

@crinrict Editing? As in changing stuff with MCCC? I haven't done that since clearing the relationships of the entire household and adding sim C as the daughter of sim A.

[crinrict]

@ongoingwhy So it just happened again when you started the game ? Since you said you have been able to clear it up with MCCC

[ongoingwhy]

@crinrict Yes, but I don't think it immediately happened after starting the game though. It happened halfway through while I was playing. Do you think the unknown parent might be a clue? After I cleared the relationships with MCCC, there wasn't any parent in sim A's family tree. However, after she mysteriously became the niece of sim B, she gained an unknown parent. Another thing I noticed is that this new change doesn't reflect in the family tree. Sim B didn't gain any new sibling even though she became sim A's aunt.

[crinrict]

@ongoingwhy It's very odd for sure. I've seen other people with invisible parents, they sometimes seem to be generated when the Sims have non or maybe if the parent gets deleted from the game.

I do think it might be connected to the other issue but I haven't looked into that closely enough to see what's happening.

Would you mind uploading them to the gallery ?

[ongoingwhy]

@crinrict I have uploaded the household to the gallery. Thank you for your help!

[crinrict]

When looking at the relationships in CAS, you have 4 Sims

Sim A is Mom to Sim B and Sister of Sim C and Grandmother of Sim D

Sim B at the same time is The Daughter of Sim A and the Wife of Sim C (which kinda makes her married to her aunt), Sim D is her Daughter

Sim C is The Sister of Sim A and the wife of Sim B and Aunt of Sim D which probably has something to do with Sim A and Sim Sim C being sisters)

Sim D is Granddaughter of Sim A, daughter of Sim B and nice to Sim C

So yeah, I think the weird constellation of a Sim being married to their aunt is causing the issue.

Maybe you changed something in a way you didn't want to in MCCC ? Is that Sim A - Sim C sisterhood on purpose ?

[ongoingwhy]

@crinrict Nope, I created Sim A as the mother of Sim B without setting any relationship with Sim C. I tried clearing all relationships of Sim A and it doesn't remove the aunt/niece relationship of Sim B and Sim C.

From what I know, doesn't each Sim only store the data of their parents, siblings, and children? The other relationships like uncle/aunt/etc are calculated based on the above. So, if Sim A being sisters with Sim C really was the issue, the bug should be resolved by removing Sim A from the equation. However, it doesn't. Furthermore, it doesn't explain why Sim D is the niece of Sim C.

[crinrict]

@ongoingwhy If I remove Sim A as being the sister of Sim C, I can get the aunt/niece relationship cleaned up but I had to re-set everything in cas (which you can basically only do if you place them in a new save)

Maybe if you remove the sister relationship with MCCC it can work ?

How did you remove Sim A from the equation ? If the relationship is still there somehow, then it still be a factor.

Maybe it is the same as the other as I assume you didn't set them to be sisters ? LIke Sim A suddenly became the Sibling of her daughter-in-law ?

This is relationship Sim A and B have. also the daughter if the niece is also a niece (great-niece ?)

             

EDIT: Tried removing relationships via cheats as well but it seems whatever messes this up, is so dominant, it comes right back.

[ongoingwhy]

@crinrictYeah, I've already tried removing the sister relationship with MCCC, Sim B and D are still the niece of Sim C.

I used MCCC to clear all the relationships of Sim A.

Yup, I created Sim A with CAS and set her as the mother of Sim B. She was household mates with Sim C when I closed CAS.

I've tried using the family relationship cheat earlier too. The CAS full edit mode doesn't work either. The only method that temporarily works is clearing out all of their relationship via MCCC.

[crinrict]

@ongoingwhy I don't think there's a way to permanently fix them other than putting them in the library, create a new household, download from gallery, fix relationships, then place them in the game and delete the faulty ones.