yeah, im glad they have implemented the immersive surround into windows, however, as always, they always leave it up to us, as consumers to troubleshoot it for them, as with most software these days. Ive upgraded yet again to a 7011, and as its a top of the line receiver, it auto's into everything, but i remember when I didnt have a top end receiver and how goofy things were, trying different things, cables, setups..its just a royal mess. Im guessing they just threw it in to the mess and hoped for the best..and again, let us sort it out. I havent gone the 4k route as you are finding out, its just far too much in its infancy stage and I'll give it a few years at this point. Honestly at this point, I hope that they implement Auro3D, its far superior to Atmos, in fact Atmos, for having as many options available to it, its the most lackluster immersive audio format, sadly. So unprecise, so inaccurate. They have a lot of work to do still it seems...and in the new beta for Battlefront 2, as I gave it an hour of my life, they seem to have removed the Atmos aspect from it, if the beta is any sign of things to come...so who knows where we go from here...build something up, then take it away, sound like the EA way of doing things..wouldnt you say?