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Re: CPU Defending

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CPU Defending

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Product: FIFA 20
Platform:Sony Playstation 4
What is your gamertag/PSN ID? jrnlgrn
Which mode has this happened in? Kick off
Which part of the mode? Classic Match
How often does the bug occur? Every time (100%)
Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? Be on the attack
What happens when the bug occurs? CPU defenders usually centerbacks or down the wings will go into the jockey animation and just let you run past them.
What should be happening instead? Defenders should be aware of their surroundings and actively try to stop you.

The CPU defenders have gone dumb it's to easy to get by them. Happens in kickoff and career.

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@EA_Darko we may have found a solution. Here are the findings.

 

We had a breakthrough tonight. However, it's not slider related, it's primarily the base of the gameplay related.

The working theory here is that EA coded the game under a squad/team sheet with default instructions set up. However, when they started pushing updates, or even releasing the game, they modified the default instructions. As a result, the game is coded and out of sync. This is why we see these terrible defensive issues:

 

https://twitch.tv/videos/485359952
https://twitch.tv/videos/485359951

https://twitch.tv/videos/485359953

 

As a result of these findings, we approached it similar to how I have approached PES in the past. Basically, using a rubberband type of logic where what I set for the user, the CPU responds. Instead of sliders, it is the player instructions. So, at the start of the match, I paused the game, went into my player instructions and click "X" to Reset All Players to Default. Yes, this does mean the player instructions revert to default, and custom instructions are no longer applicable. This is a workaround, and by no means, hopefully, a permanent solution.

Once this is done for the User side, simply play the game. Try to burst past the CPU and recreate the videos above. It will be much more difficult. You may need to experience this on Legendary or Ultimate vs using World Class or below because lower difficulties can have certain exploits, etc. At the time of this post, I spent more time using Legendary.

 

Before:


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/922/U3WXbY.png

 

 

After:


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/924/vJs2tD.png

 

One additional, and highly recommended, enhancement to this is one in which the user would need to have a second controller (console) or keyboard (PC), so the same can be done in the match for the CPU side. Simply switch sides, then navigate to the player instructions > "Reset All Players to Default". Once done, go back to switch sides back to no team selected.

That's it. That is the big find. It is proven on the twitch stream tonight, and has been exhausted to isolate certain triggers that may, or may not, be effective. I will say when both the User and CPU are Reset...it is by far one of the most fun experiences I've had with default FIFA since the prepatch beta. You will be able to tell instantly of the better lines, the more resistance, the entire environment of play rises to another level.

 

Please be aware that you must make the reset change to each gameplan (Ultra Defensive to Ultra Attacking) and reset those player instructions. The reason for this is because the CPU will instantly go back to their old defensive ways as you move/up the gameplans.

 

I know as I type this it is release day for FIFA 20, and maybe a patch will come with it. There has been a post made already by EA: https://fifaforums.easports.com/en/discussion/498047/an-update-from-the-development-team-at-launch-g... which could mean the findings today are null and void. However, I will genuinely feel at peace that the issue has been solved from pure determination. It has been a brutal, multiple hours in testing everything related to gameplay sliders, and this was truly a last resort. Please enjoy FIFA 20. There is a lot of potential when the game is in-sync as a whole.

 

I hope the provided workaround allows you to experience incredibly gameplay like I have.

 

Note: We will have a slider set as we learn of patch updates and if these issues are addressed outright versus using another workaround.

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Re: CPU Defending

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Hey @83_Jrn do you have a video of this happening that you can share with us so that we can see what you are seeing when you see this?

 

Darko

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Hi @EA_Darko 

 

Thanks to @83_Jrn for posting this. 

 

I've recently tweeted to EA about this as well. 

 

For those that may not know me, I work on sliders for FIFA with Operation Sports community. We've run into a significant issue with the CPU defending logic in FIFA 20 though.

There are multiple issues with FIFA 20's CPU defending logic. They choose to jockey when they shouldn't, and take terrible angles into the ball. Basically, they are just not engaging correctly. I've included a couple clips that I tweeted to EA and others: https://twitter.com/Matt10L/status/1176118001399193600

 

Video Examples (from Twitch highlights)

 

Here the defender has the advantage completely, but chooses not to take the ball from Murray. His teammate also doesn't get the ball, and chooses to jockey as they get closer to the goal. Legendary difficulty.

https://twitch.tv/videos/485359952…

 

Here the FB gets beat, but instead of tucking in or trying to cut off angles, he runs straight forward towards the endline adboards. Zero defensive logic here. Legendary difficulty.

https://twitch.tv/videos/485359951…

 

Here again, the CB has a chance to cut off the angle, but chooses to jockey as the player gets closer. I understand if they want to jockey at first, but not when the dribbler is in full sprint. The defender seems to think there is more time or more space behind him, so they do not engage. Legendary difficulty.

https://twitch.tv/videos/485359953

 

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I've also tested this on Ultimate difficulty, and the same types of animations occur. This is in Career Mode. Any other information you need, please let me know. 

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@EA_Darko Here's another example. This all happened in the first 20 minutes of a HUM vs. CPU game on World Class difficulty. HUM is attacking and CPU is/should be defending:

 

 

Here's the link to it in case video doesn't start: https://streamable.com/ac0bc

 

Hope this sums it up:  In situations where the HUM controlled attacker attacks/sprints towards goal with the ball, the CPU defenders constantly choose to run behind the attacker and to follow them instead of cutting them off or challenge them for the ball. Instead of quite comfortably stopping the straight run towards the goal they have absolutely zero chance to get near the attacker or the ball by positioning themselves and defending like this.

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Re: CPU Defending

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Hey @EA_Darko,

 

Thanks for responding. As the other posters in thread have shown clear examples of the defenders not defending properly. The previous posted clips are the exact issue that led to my bug report. Here is another example showcasing the issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI8cJMiQFpM

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@83_Jrnapparently, FIFA 20 has the worst AI I have ever seen, from stupid AI team starting XI selection in career mode to ridiculous AI defending in game. But EA does not care I guess, the wallet burning FUT mode does not need AI - it's all about releasing blue, black, icon cards and collecting money.

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Re: CPU Defending

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@EA_Darko we may have found a solution. Here are the findings.

 

We had a breakthrough tonight. However, it's not slider related, it's primarily the base of the gameplay related.

The working theory here is that EA coded the game under a squad/team sheet with default instructions set up. However, when they started pushing updates, or even releasing the game, they modified the default instructions. As a result, the game is coded and out of sync. This is why we see these terrible defensive issues:

 

https://twitch.tv/videos/485359952
https://twitch.tv/videos/485359951

https://twitch.tv/videos/485359953

 

As a result of these findings, we approached it similar to how I have approached PES in the past. Basically, using a rubberband type of logic where what I set for the user, the CPU responds. Instead of sliders, it is the player instructions. So, at the start of the match, I paused the game, went into my player instructions and click "X" to Reset All Players to Default. Yes, this does mean the player instructions revert to default, and custom instructions are no longer applicable. This is a workaround, and by no means, hopefully, a permanent solution.

Once this is done for the User side, simply play the game. Try to burst past the CPU and recreate the videos above. It will be much more difficult. You may need to experience this on Legendary or Ultimate vs using World Class or below because lower difficulties can have certain exploits, etc. At the time of this post, I spent more time using Legendary.

 

Before:


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/922/U3WXbY.png

 

 

After:


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/924/vJs2tD.png

 

One additional, and highly recommended, enhancement to this is one in which the user would need to have a second controller (console) or keyboard (PC), so the same can be done in the match for the CPU side. Simply switch sides, then navigate to the player instructions > "Reset All Players to Default". Once done, go back to switch sides back to no team selected.

That's it. That is the big find. It is proven on the twitch stream tonight, and has been exhausted to isolate certain triggers that may, or may not, be effective. I will say when both the User and CPU are Reset...it is by far one of the most fun experiences I've had with default FIFA since the prepatch beta. You will be able to tell instantly of the better lines, the more resistance, the entire environment of play rises to another level.

 

Please be aware that you must make the reset change to each gameplan (Ultra Defensive to Ultra Attacking) and reset those player instructions. The reason for this is because the CPU will instantly go back to their old defensive ways as you move/up the gameplans.

 

I know as I type this it is release day for FIFA 20, and maybe a patch will come with it. There has been a post made already by EA: https://fifaforums.easports.com/en/discussion/498047/an-update-from-the-development-team-at-launch-g... which could mean the findings today are null and void. However, I will genuinely feel at peace that the issue has been solved from pure determination. It has been a brutal, multiple hours in testing everything related to gameplay sliders, and this was truly a last resort. Please enjoy FIFA 20. There is a lot of potential when the game is in-sync as a whole.

 

I hope the provided workaround allows you to experience incredibly gameplay like I have.

 

Note: We will have a slider set as we learn of patch updates and if these issues are addressed outright versus using another workaround.

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Re: CPU Defending

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Hey @EA_Darko @EA_Andy ,

 

Here are more examples of poor CPU defending. One video made from three different clips. In the last clip it happens twice. The defenders are taking totally incorrect defense positions. Often moving towards where the attacker has been.The CPU defenders are playing out of sync with what's happening on the pitch. They are playing a second into the past and reacting to what has already happened.

 

https://youtu.be/_FWU6gNNNNo

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@EA_Darko @EA_Andy 

Has anyone seen these clips and is the team aware of how the game plays in CM?
An answer would be nice, even if it is along the lines of "we've seen this/we are aware but don't know if/when something can be done about it".

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Last patch didn’t fix this, how long we will have to wait EA? The game is broken and unplayable 

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