Product: F1 22 Platform:PC Summarize your bugThe game works differently over the kerbs on lower framerate, giving people running capped frames an advantage What is your 16 digit Report Code?PAMH-CRJX-PVBS-DEEE Which area is the bug/glitch in?TT How often does the bug occur?Every time (100%) Did you have cross-play enabled?No Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves?Try to take the corner over the kerb on 60 fps, then try on 144+ more What happens when the bug occurs?The car is driving differently, giving actual competitive advantage What do you expect to see?The car should react just as same
Hi all,
I think we found an insanely huge bug. I was racing my friend with a relatively similar pace, on an equal setup and he was way quicker in the corners. Now, I am a competitive driver and I hate losing, so we started to analyse what do we do differently.
At some point he tried to guide me through a lap and told me to cut the apex as much as I can, which for me seemed impossible. We both got confused and started seeking for anything.
Then we realized, the only difference between our setups, as we race on the identical steering wheels, are our PCs. While my PC is quite powerful and runs the game easily at 150+ fps, his PC is kind of a mid ranger and he runs the game at capped 60fps.
Now... you probably know where this is going :D Turns out, while running the game in lower framerate, the kerbs are not throwing you in the air.
Try this for yourself, this is insane, you can actually gain a true, competitive advantage with lower framerate. This isn't some cosmetics or delusion of a mad driver, it actually does work like that.
I have attached a comparison video, check it out, try to replicate it, it's almost like you're playing a different game. In case the attachment does not show, here it is: https://streamable.com/w81eo7#
CODEMASTERS/EA, THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. YOU'VE GOT F1 ESPORTS STARTING SOON, IMAGINE WHAT THIS WILL DO TO THE SCENE!!!!
@Subbaro No one in this thread has claimed it's a 4 second advantage. The affect of lower FPS having a meaningful impact on the physics of the car are easily reproducible. The game doesn't need to be easier, no one has claimed that here, but it sure would be nice if it was consistent. Saying the kerb is "just rng" is not a solution, kerbs shouldn't be rng.
Even if this is would be a thing (that it actually works so that lower fps, less curb effect), the higher fps still gives other advantages than can make you faster, biggest advantage being less input lag, which increases accuracy of the controls.
I watched crossplay streams quite a bit during the beta weekends and I never saw any clear advantage from console players over PC, it was usually the opposite.
Anyway, if this is true, IMO it's big problem only if proven in the hands of really skilled players.
Interesting nevertheless and I would be really interestring to hear comments about this from the devs... It could be true, as that would explain why some players think some curbs are easier on xbox for example compared to PC (who run the game often on higher fps compared to consoles)
I couldn't get this to reproduce in Career or Grand Prix mode, but got it to reproduce in time trial.
My guess is that the lower FPS means your game and the server are communicating slightly less frequently, so that you're "skipping" the frame / communication where the floor of the car hits the kerb.
Might have been my error in trying to reproduce, but I think it would make sense that the "online" versions would trigger slightly differently based on communications with the server.
This is the same reason / thinking that in shooters you want to play on a server with the highest tick rate possible, same with racing games, on lower FPS / tick rate servers (my assumption is that F1's servers are 64 tick rate at most) things can often feel "random", but in actuality can be reproduced reliably if something happens "between" frames or ticks of the server. Changing the FPS of the game itself on the client side effectively just doubles how wide the gap is that the thing can occur between.
Could anyone else test in GP or Career mode who has higher FPS (mine maxes at 100 or so) to see if it's occurring offline as well, or just online?
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Product: F1 22 Platform:PC Summarize your bugThe game works differently over the kerbs on lower framerate, giving people running capped frames an advantage What is your 16 digit Report Code?PAMH-CRJX-PVBS-DEEE Which area is the bug/glitch in?TT How often does the bug occur?Every time (100%) Did you have cross-play enabled?No Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves?Try to take the corner over the kerb on 60 fps, then try on 144+ more What happens when the bug occurs?The car is driving differently, giving actual competitive advantage What do you expect to see?The car should react just as same
Hi all,
I think we found an insanely huge bug. I was racing my friend with a relatively similar pace, on an equal setup and he was way quicker in the corners. Now, I am a competitive driver and I hate losing, so we started to analyse what do we do differently.
At some point he tried to guide me through a lap and told me to cut the apex as much as I can, which for me seemed impossible. We both got confused and started seeking for anything.
Then we realized, the only difference between our setups, as we race on the identical steering wheels, are our PCs. While my PC is quite powerful and runs the game easily at 150+ fps, his PC is kind of a mid ranger and he runs the game at capped 60fps.
Now... you probably know where this is going :D Turns out, while running the game in lower framerate, the kerbs are not throwing you in the air.
Try this for yourself, this is insane, you can actually gain a true, competitive advantage with lower framerate. This isn't some cosmetics or delusion of a mad driver, it actually does work like that.
I have attached a comparison video, check it out, try to replicate it, it's almost like you're playing a different game. In case the attachment does not show, here it is: https://streamable.com/w81eo7#
CODEMASTERS/EA, THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. YOU'VE GOT F1 ESPORTS STARTING SOON, IMAGINE WHAT THIS WILL DO TO THE SCENE!!!!
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Product: F1 22 Platform:PC Summarize your bugThe game works differently over the kerbs on lower framerate, giving people running capped frames an advantage What is your 16 digit Report Code?PAMH-CRJX-PVBS-DEEE Which area is the bug/glitch in?TT How often does the bug occur?Every time (100%) Did you have cross-play enabled?No Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves?Try to take the corner over the kerb on 60 fps, then try on 144+ more What happens when the bug occurs?The car is driving differently, giving actual competitive advantage What do you expect to see?The car should react just as same
Hi all,
I think we found an insanely huge bug. I was racing my friend with a relatively similar pace, on an equal setup and he was way quicker in the corners. Now, I am a competitive driver and I hate losing, so we started to analyse what do we do differently.
At some point he tried to guide me through a lap and told me to cut the apex as much as I can, which for me seemed impossible. We both got confused and started seeking for anything.
Then we realized, the only difference between our setups, as we race on the identical steering wheels, are our PCs. While my PC is quite powerful and runs the game easily at 150+ fps, his PC is kind of a mid ranger and he runs the game at capped 60fps.
Now... you probably know where this is going :D Turns out, while running the game in lower framerate, the kerbs are not throwing you in the air.
Try this for yourself, this is insane, you can actually gain a true, competitive advantage with lower framerate. This isn't some cosmetics or delusion of a mad driver, it actually does work like that.
I have attached a comparison video, check it out, try to replicate it, it's almost like you're playing a different game. In case the attachment does not show, here it is: https://streamable.com/w81eo7#
CODEMASTERS/EA, THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. YOU'VE GOT F1 ESPORTS STARTING SOON, IMAGINE WHAT THIS WILL DO TO THE SCENE!!!!
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LESS FPS = EASIER CORNERING!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:8411679"},"body":"@Subbaro No one in this thread has claimed it's a 4 second advantage. The affect of lower FPS having a meaningful impact on the physics of the car are easily reproducible. The game doesn't need to be easier, no one has claimed that here, but it sure would be nice if it was consistent. 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Nothing still has to do with FPS. As I said, multiple esport drivers have driven this track in TT without any problems on 200+ FPS like OP.
I can run over the curb on 100+ FPS as well. I don´t want to sound rude, but you guys are not driving correctly :D","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2022-08-23T06:32:30.136-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-08-23T06:32:30.136-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2004},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:f1-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:f1-games-franchise-discussion-en/message:8411668/message:8411680","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:36":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:36","position":47,"name":"New Rookie","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:1371632":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1371632","uid":1371632,"login":"F1Connorrr","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2022-08-06T03:13:51.396-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://eaavatarservice.akamaized.net/production/avatar/prod/1/599/416x416.JPEG"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:36"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:1371632"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:8411681":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:8411681","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:8411681":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1371632"},"id":"message:8411681","revisionNum":1,"uid":8411681,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:f1-games-franchise-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:8411668"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:8411668"},"subject":"Re: HUGE BUG!!! LESS FPS = EASIER CORNERING!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:8411681"},"body":"
this is not an issue with the game files themselves, it is simply an effect of capping low fps, you would fine this with most games.
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Even if this is would be a thing (that it actually works so that lower fps, less curb effect), the higher fps still gives other advantages than can make you faster, biggest advantage being less input lag, which increases accuracy of the controls.
I watched crossplay streams quite a bit during the beta weekends and I never saw any clear advantage from console players over PC, it was usually the opposite.
Anyway, if this is true, IMO it's big problem only if proven in the hands of really skilled players.
Interesting nevertheless and I would be really interestring to hear comments about this from the devs... It could be true, as that would explain why some players think some curbs are easier on xbox for example compared to PC (who run the game often on higher fps compared to consoles)
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@IleleeeHere's a better demonstration of what @pet05ppl0uyv was showing in his video.
I set up the flashback so I had almost no input and hit the kerb in the same way every time, all I do is steer full left on controller.
Multiple flashbacks with unlocked and locked FPS to show consistency.
It's not rng. Physics are tied to FPS and it affects kerbs.
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Are you actually joking Codemasters right? What the hell is this? Fix it now!
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I couldn't get this to reproduce in Career or Grand Prix mode, but got it to reproduce in time trial.
My guess is that the lower FPS means your game and the server are communicating slightly less frequently, so that you're \"skipping\" the frame / communication where the floor of the car hits the kerb.
Might have been my error in trying to reproduce, but I think it would make sense that the \"online\" versions would trigger slightly differently based on communications with the server.
This is the same reason / thinking that in shooters you want to play on a server with the highest tick rate possible, same with racing games, on lower FPS / tick rate servers (my assumption is that F1's servers are 64 tick rate at most) things can often feel \"random\", but in actuality can be reproduced reliably if something happens \"between\" frames or ticks of the server. Changing the FPS of the game itself on the client side effectively just doubles how wide the gap is that the thing can occur between.
Could anyone else test in GP or Career mode who has higher FPS (mine maxes at 100 or so) to see if it's occurring offline as well, or just online?
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So do you think PS4/5 players with 60hz has an advantage over PS5 players with 120hz as well? 🤔
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@CgSquall Very good points and thanks for the information, though I was able to reproduce it in GP mode.
Short clip here, same as my previous just in GP mode with the same car setup.
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Hi everyone,
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We appreciate the reports on this.
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We've passed this along for a look.
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