Ladies and Gentlemen;  it is that time.

Basically the highlight of my social calendar, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s also up there with your birthdays and Christmas in your yearly milestones too. 
That’s right, the time has come to see the driver ratings and to spend hours saying why they’re wrong. 

I’ll do my ramble soon but I think I’ve seen worse.  The days of a Super-Bottas appear gone forever (possibly similar to him) 

Ladies and Gentlemen;  it is that time.

Basically the highlight of my social calendar, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s also up there with your birthdays and Christmas in your yearly milestones too. 
That’s right, the time has come to see the driver ratings and to spend hours saying why they’re wrong. 

I’ll do my ramble soon but I think I’ve seen worse.  The days of a Super-Bottas appear gone forever (possibly similar to him) 

With the proviso it is based off last years results with maybe only a tinge of this years. 
I’m also aware some are rated differently for balancing in comparison to the car rating. 
I’ll group them into categories for comparison. 

Your front-runners;
Verstappen - 95 - justified.  He’s the best out there currently. 
Norris - 91 - it’s probably on point. I’d have had him at 90 personally.
Leclerc - 91 - probably the nicest rating he’s had. Accurate.
Russell - 90 - Again, probably about right. I’d have had him at 89. 

Your nearly-there men; 

Sainz - 90 - I’ve also thought they inflated his rating beyond his means. 88 is probably for me. 
Piastri - 87 - about right for last year. This year, bump him to 89. 

Your grandads; 

Hamilton - 89 - kinda fair. Ironic that when he retires. If he’s in the game then he’s a 96 (same as I’d have Schumi). 

Alonso - 88 - Yeah sure, why not. He’s not getting any better. 

Your midfield maestros; 

Gasly - 86 - he does seem the class of the midfield. Potentially a point higher than I’d have gone. 

Ocon - 85 - I would say his ability is around this but his last year was a little off it so would have had 83. 

Hulkenberg - 84 - I’ve always rated Hulky around this level but maybe declining to 83 now. He’s never going to get that podium though, is he. 

Your fringes of the points; 

Albon - 83 - I’ve never really been an Albon fan but I have to admit he’s done well this season. Last season he was abit shonky so I’d have dropped a point or two. 

Tsunoda - 82 - I’ve always thought he was a little underrated by the game but this is 1 point higher than I’d have gone.  Better get used to it as he’s dropping ratings the longer he’s in the red bull. 

Your participation trophy kids

Stroll - 78 - He gets a hard time but it’s hard to judge.  He’s good enough to be in F1, but I’d say he’s not hungry enough to progress off his own back. I’d have gone 79. 

Your kindergarten babies; 

Lawson - 80 - looks like New Barbie knows someone on the inside to get that rating. I can only assume it’s due to his Red Bull seat and car balancing. 76… on a good day.  I’ve only ever thought he was good, at best, in junior formulae and he’s just not an 80. 

Antonelli - 72 - this will get bumped up as I expect it’s based off last season and F2 balancing.  I’d have said 77 at the start of the year and maybe 81 now. Although that’s based on junior hype rather than results.

Bearman - 74 - I’ll say it quietly… but I’m not that sold on him. He’s good but I don’t get the hype. 74 is just fine. 

Doohan - 73 -  I’m blinkered as I’m a massive Jack stan. I’d have gone 75 or 76 as I really rated his last F2 year.  I’ve heard people say he’ll get removed in an update but I’m sceptical unless Alpine request it. So I expect him to still be the Alpine driver for the foreseeable but his rating drop to 70/71.

Hadjar - 68 - poor Isack. This will get bumped but I’ve no idea why he’s been shafted like this.  He was so close to being both F3 and F2 champion and he gets this honker of a rating. I guess the second year in F2 dropped him a little? 72 at least.

Bortoleto - 74 - Again, I’ll whisper, as it’s hard to say about a double F2 and F3 champion… but I’m not entirely convinced on him.  Of the ones that’s done it, he’s significantly the weakest.  I think he’s good but he’ll burn out on hype. I’d have gone 73 based off results though. 

Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk. 

To me almost the entirety of the ratings are just atrocious.. The overall ratings dont mean anything as they are blurred by experience or awareness ratings but having the championship leader 2-3 tenths slower each lap than his teammate? Double that gap from Antonelli to Russel? Hülkenberg one of the best qualifiers with lower midfield pace? Its just bad. The overalls will never get anywhere near realistic results if the details are so far off but thats always been a problem and they never fixed it or dared introducing an editor to silence people who want more realistic results from the drivers..

On the Formula one YT channel where the real drivers guess their ratings. They mention after the first 2 races of this season.  So obviously these ratings were decided before Japan.   So although they really don't reflect current form.  At the time they are not so far off.  I'm hoping Codies update the ratings shortly after 25s release 

You are correct! 

There's quite a drastic swing of people that say they're all wrong and those that say they're slightly wrong.  They usually update them a few times a year, but like Meza said, they don't really fix them as they're trying to achieve a particular result by skewing the ratings to achieve it. 

I'm not sure how exactly it works with the licencing in terms of editing.  Normally i'd have said there'd be something in the licence that means you can't manually edit lineups, stats, team performance, etc as the teams would say it infringes on image rights or whatever (particularly in the first season of MyTeam/Career) ... but you can now literally do all those things in F1Manager so there has to be some degree of flexibility in the licensing.   It's possible they have different parameters of flexibility in the respective licences but \"the licence doesn't allow it\" is a flakier argument than it used to be. 

Regardless, you are correct that they'll update the ratings probably a few weeks after game release and we get to criticise this all again. Woo! 

SmokyAtom07​  Nice to see you here dude.   Been a long time since Codies forums

But are they really not far off? Having a 7 pace difference between Piastri and Norris in favor of Norris when Piastri was on average faster in quali (i will only use the first two races for this whole reply to match the likely frame of races they based it on), just by 0.025s but still, not 2-3 tenths slower which is 7 pace difference.

Antonelli vs Russel pace is more fair in that regard as Antonelli struggled in quali in Australia, the 14 gap in pace rating actually gets close to the early average. (only using same session times, not comparing a Q3 time to Q1 time)

Verstappen - Lawson (which they likely used as Lawson was still at Red Bull for the first two) is abysmally wrong, the average is ~0.875 which would be close to a ~25 gap in pace and is 11 in the game, meaning Lawson would qualify in Q3 at times if at Red Bull..

Tsunoda - Hadjar is also laughable, ~0.03s gap IRL and 13 pace gap (~4.5 tenths) - quite big difference

Sainz - Albon 0.115s gap IRL and 3 pace in game, which would be right, if it were the right way around, favouring Albon instead of Sainz - not too big difference but wrong tendency

Leclerc - Hamilton actually just 0.05s for Leclerc IRL due to Hamiltons quali in China, 3 pace ingame is double the gap but not too drastic - fine gap

Gasly - Doohan is difficult as Doohan bottled his Q2 in Australia but comparing his Q1 to Gaslys Q2 for once gives a smaller, more realistic gap -> 0.15s IRL, 8 pace gap ingame ~3 tenths, too big gap but not horrible considering following qualis and races

Alonso - Stroll 0.06s IRL, 11 pace gap ingame = ~0.4s quite far off for this season, not what it should be like at all!

Bortoleto - Hülkenberg irl first two races just 0.08s ingame 5 pace gap which isnt terribly off but feels wrong with Hülkenberg being so far down - just emphasisis again the faulty method of balancing the car performances with worse driver ratings (in this case making Hülkenberg and Bortoleto slower to match the bad Sauber but thats not just a problem with Sauber!)

Bearman - Ocon -> Only one qualifying for both 0.14s gap but 12 pace gap ingame = ~4-4.5 tenths, way too big for how bearman performs this year and has performed last year!

So we have the pairings of Mclaren, Red Bull, Racing Bulls, Aston Martin and Haas quite wrong, half the teams with a way too big difference that cant be reasonably explained 

Williams and Mercedes very on edge, wrong tendency and quickly outdated stats but not too bad for the first two races..

The other three are acceptable comparisons between drivers internally but not necessarily in comparison to other teams.

What it should rather look like for pace rating only is

Norris 92- Piastri 92

Russel 92 - Antonelli 82 (giving Antonelli a bit of a bump already before the Miami results, with Miami it would be 82)

Verstappen 95 - Lawson 77 (both Lawson and Hadjar are tough to make a good rating as every driver but Verstappen underperforms in that Red Bull

Tsunoda 86 - Hadjar 84 (still not ideal but somewhere in the middle between all the factors we gotta put in

Albon 89 - Sainz 86 (Sainz has higher potential but doesnt match well with the Williams early on, if he performs on level with Albon hed be closer to his past pace - 1 tenth off average to Leclerc -

Leclerc 93 - Hamilton 91

Gasly 88 - Doohan 82

Alonso 83 - Stroll 81

Hülkenberg 89 - Bortoleto 85

Ocon 88 - Bearman 84

And make the backmarker cars worse to keep the gaps (Sauber, Haas, Aston Martin actually doesnt even need a nerf most likely) Gaps for Tsunoda and Lawson would need to be bigger to match their deficit to Verstappen but making Tsunoda a 80 wouldnt fit his performances compared to Gasly and Gasly hasnt been much worse than Albon whos beating Sainz..

I am not happy with this year's driver ratings. Norris 91 but should really be 89. But Piastri 87 but should be 90. Seriously EA?

It has indeed!    When they announced they were closing down the Codies forums, I created an account here but said i'd probably never use it.  3-4 years later, I broke my word.  Can't trust anyone these days!  

I thought this forum would be rampant as they was always something going on in the Codies one, but it's quieter than I expected.  Although I expect it'll get busier when the game comes out and people want to complain about the bugs. 😅

Hope you've been okay over the years! 

Erm ill send you a DM why it's now quieter here. 

I know what experience is, but how does it affect the driver in race and qualifying.